My First Thread - Page 2 - Poker Beats Brags and Variance

Cliff notes:

-donk can't beat online games
-thinks people from South America know something about technology
-treats it as absolute proof.
-didnt invest in the software anyways
-somehow, amazingly, understands that the more you play the more you win.

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10-19-2008 , 05:30 PM

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AceD_

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Originally Posted by repcorpus24

hello I play online poker and have been doing so for about 2 years. I play under repcorpus24 on B Dog IRaiseAll23 on P Stars and CCrounder23 on FullTilt. Now lets see I just got off an all night session of exactly break even poker. I played at least 15 sng hu today and im sure I'm like even which is incredibly frustrating. The first time I created another account on Pstars ...thats right I got two accounts cause I wanted the god dam poker savvy deal. well anyways the first time I ever played it BAm. I won literally like 9 5 dollars games straight. After that first few days Im lucky to put together 3.Now all the is poker rigged stuff that goes on Im like yea right rigged. You just suck ... Well F that anyone who doesn't think so cool but ask yourself these questions like Annete 15 for example . anyone who thinks that that 18 yr old girl really free rolled and just built up millions of dollars online from nothing because she is some how more advanced than players who have put their heart and soul into this game for years is crazy. Come on really ... think about it .... really .. u think so. If poker isnt rigged why don't the sites offer insurance to the players once all the money is in. Think about it with that one option of getting insurance on your hand provided by the site they would simultaneously accomplish several things. 1 they would get people to lessen their bad beats cause you could have the option of taking the safe bet. 2 They would put all the poker is rigged theories to bed overnight. Once that feature was in place hand analysis could be done on the hands before and after insurance option was put into place. You could prove that the randomness of the shuffles hadn't changed. 3 The sites would make a killing in pacing the insurance out there. After all since the RNG is truly random it would in the long run balance out hands the way it is supposed to and the site would make even more money on top of all their money that they're already making. I have seen alot of the graphs of hands that have fallen below EV through hundreds of thousands of hands. Well where are the graphs that show people running extremely above EV over the course of 100ks of hands. Why is it that in a place filled with obv above average players all feel that in some ways its rigged. Are we all delusional. now I'm no genius as you can tell by my grammatical errors everywhere but surely internet sites have smart people running them...or thieves and why not place the insurance option out there for players. They would make more money bottom line as long as everything is on the up and up. But they never will .... I will pay online still of course but one has to wonder. Thank you all who read this for taking the time. Some feedback on the insurance idea would be great. I mean I dont see why they wouldn't have this option out there already...but I have a feeling they never will and we all know why

And you expect people to read that?! Hopefully you'll discover the use of paragraphs for your second thread.

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10-19-2008 , 05:37 PM

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10-19-2008 , 09:09 PM

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hobbes05

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instead of playing poker please go back to school and learn how to write with paragraphs

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10-19-2008 , 09:20 PM

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I started reading it real fast/uninterested until he started talking about some sort of insurance after being all in. I was like: WTF is this **** and stopped immediately.

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10-19-2008 , 09:22 PM

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10-19-2008 , 09:48 PM

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OP doesn't understand that if a player wins 1 million playing online poker, the site doesn't lose 1 million. This isn't blackjack, you aren't playing against the house....you'd think a live player would understand that.

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10-19-2008 , 10:12 PM

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StrictlyStrategy

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic

You'd think a live player would understand that?!?!

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10-19-2008 , 11:55 PM

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Craggoo

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Truly ground breaking stuff here. I think OP and Joab are onto something

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10-20-2008 , 12:02 AM

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Judgment

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OP is completely right. The sites would never program their software to allow them to lose money to players.

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10-20-2008 , 12:13 AM

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10-20-2008 , 12:14 AM

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10-20-2008 , 12:15 AM

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10-20-2008 , 07:45 AM

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Spoiler:

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10-20-2008 , 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by G1982

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a+ would read again

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10-20-2008 , 08:41 AM

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Joab

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A new poker site always has to use bots because they don't have the members to keep the site active enough in the beginning.

That's how you can lose money to the players, also a new site will have tons of advertising expenses.

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10-20-2008 , 08:49 AM

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Joab

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Originally Posted by wigan rl

Krants
FWF
Durrr
Whitelime

I could go on all them are members on here and i bet they have took 10x that ammount out

Who are these people ???

Has anyone actually meet them and can it be proven that they are even A. real , B. actual paid out in real money and not exaggerated or C. not just paid shills.

Organized Criminals are not idiots and they have run these kinds of scams for decades.

Show me the PROOF and I will shut up, till then I will assume that a Duck is a Duck and a Con is a Con.

For F sake these companies are already criminal and avoiding tax laws BUT your right they would only rip off the government and they would never scam you.

Duh

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10-20-2008 , 09:03 AM

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Spudhead

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Originally Posted by Joab

Either this is a very good level or you are an idiot

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10-20-2008 , 09:04 AM

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ChrisV

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What would you consider "proof"?

If you like, I'll screenshot PT3 showing me winning considerably more than 50K. I suppose I'm just in on the conspiracy though and have posted here 6,600 times as cunning cover for my shilling activities.

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10-20-2008 , 09:09 AM

#45

aytrak

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Originally Posted by Joab

Who are these people ???

Has anyone actually meet them and can it be proven that they are even A. real...

Pro poker going well for you?

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10-20-2008 , 09:11 AM

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wigan rl

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Originally Posted by Joab

Is this a level?

They are all members of this forum

Google there names and then respond

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10-20-2008 , 11:53 AM

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Joab

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

No need to be defensive this is not a personal attack and trust me I wish I was wrong about online because the 3 hour trip back and forth to my Casino each day is no fun at all.

Not to take away from your skills because I'm sure you and many players on here are HIGHLY skilled and would do much better net net live BUT ....

My "theory" is that certain high volume players are recognized by the software and algorithms are programmed to reward the players that qualify with slight advantages so long as the rake justifies it.

IF you have let's say 100 players that you pay out 10k per day to that equals 1 million in pay outs (this just an example).

If you keep this DREAM alive and you have 100,000 players all losing $100 per day that equals 10,000,000.

Not a bad return for an organized crime syndicate:

Pay out 1 million to get back 10 million

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10-20-2008 , 12:18 PM

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OMGheadshot

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Originally Posted by Joab

[x] lol at poker sites paying players

The amount the site makes in rake more then accomodates for the amount they payout. Of course I am assuming you mean tourni payouts... unless theres another way the software gives you money that I'm not aware of.

"Pay out 1 million to get back 10 million"

Are all investors part of crime syndicates as well? No.

It's called business, welcome to capitalism.

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10-20-2008 , 01:21 PM

#49

Joab

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Originally Posted by OMGheadshot

It's called business, welcome to capitalism.

Your missing the point.

It's not a zero sum game (less the rake)

Unless you think the rake is 9 million dollars (as in my example).

They are keeping much more because your playing against their software bots or real it makes no difference.

Cryptologic was busted on this years ago and it is not really new news.

http://cryptologicmafia.com/