I stabbed someone during a poker game - Page 17 - Poker Beats Brags and Variance

Is chode ever going to be back? True or no, its really funny if no, if true, people have to learn. If he can be unbanned he has my vote, for what it is worth.

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06-26-2009 , 06:06 PM

#402

Vitalious

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 99

[x] This story is true. I hope you get convicted and sentenced to death since obviously you don't deserve to live.
[x] This story is false. I hope someone does this to you at a live game and the paramedics don't save you in time and you bleed out for wasting everyone's time with this story.

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06-26-2009 , 06:08 PM

#403

LoveMinus0NL

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Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 97

Why did you x both the true and false box? That's not possible.

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06-26-2009 , 06:14 PM

#404

Vitalious

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 99

Mainly because I could care less which is correct, i just want the resulting action to ensue. So I'm hoping at least one is true/happens.

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06-26-2009 , 07:14 PM

#405

Vantek

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,806

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I could care less which is correct

So you do care?

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06-26-2009 , 07:17 PM

#406

thedoctor

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Originally Posted by Scrumbine

I have read this whole thing through, and I see something emerging. I will quote all the posts in order, and #them for reference.

#24

We will see this not to be the case upon further thinking...

#40

Fist good post. Now were thinking outside the box. This is a highly unusual play yes, but unexpected. Its pros and cons will be seen soon, but as we can see from the way the hand went, if he had stabbed PRE flop, then villain may have folded, and douche may have never mis identified you as the villain.

#50

Hit points or chips, we need to figure out how to get villain to fold.

#71

Reverse implied odds if I have ever seen them. The only real crippling thing about this hand.

#80

We may have to take a different line in betting, but I would stick with the stabbing no matter what lands on the river. This is a situation where you need to be able to put your opponent on a hand, and futher FE is going to be huge.

#85
(see graph in post #85, not in this post) this is only reached in theory or in a lab setting, not in mid swing of a game.

#179

I think this is at the heart of our strategy. We could even elevate our table image to the point where they ACTUALLY just hand us the money. Thats what we are looking for yeah?

#193

This I look at as like auto table selection in the future. If people will play with you they must not pay attention (therefore must be weak players) so you will find you more often get the monies (whether or not you have to actually stab them.)

#234

This.
When I was reading the thread I knew there was an over arching strategy somewhere ITT and this is it. If they (the villains out there) think you were just doing this for show, then its like move counter move. But If you make sure they know their whole 'stack' is on the line, they will respect your small raises more. After I read this I had to go back and pour over all the posts to see the master strategy here.

#247

I think #234 inspired more to start to see the real way this hand should have been played, but as played, definitely continuation stab in court.

#263

This kind of move could also be good for the game because people will think 2 times before getting out of line. Different kind of metagame consideration, but hey, do we really need wussies playing this tough wild west game? Some of these 'metro' types are too hard to read anyway. Instead of folding they might get a tazer or something. Just scaring them off before they get to the game is obv +EV in most situations.

#311

The oversimplified version of the wisdom ITT
The cliffnotes iff you will.

#321

Here is the proof for the need for the master play of stabbing (either as played or at sometime sooner in the hand).

#335

It does seem for all his genius, our OP was in the wrong game for this move. Darn stool pigeon in the game... but as already said, many 'wussies' will not play with him now, so the play has residual benefits, even when it goes wrong. We can consider this as advertising value.

IN CONCLUSION

He had a good idea, and may have picked the right spot, to figure this out we can calculate the following.

The size of the blinds, the size of the stacks, and the size of the egos in the game. When we get our values and then compare them to the hands (we should win LDO) then we add our special play. If we use it early, we take it down! Total win!!
As played we need to take the following values:

All future fold equity - F
The respect we gain when we stab him - R
What he will win in court for suing us - S
His likely hood of winning said law suit - L

so then (F+R)-(S.L) = EV

That my friends, is my stabbing theorem.

In this situation I think we are slightly +EV, but its close, so either stab or fold PF. The only reason to fold is the reverse implied odds.

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lol great post. but you have too much time on your hands.

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06-26-2009 , 07:21 PM

#407

Eluvetie

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Lmfao, wow...And how do three year old threads like this keep getting bumped...?

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06-26-2009 , 10:25 PM

#408

Vitalious

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 99

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Originally Posted by Vantek

So you do care?

Obviously i care a bit since i made a post.

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06-27-2009 , 01:08 AM

#409

ringinabox

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,071

ive read op like 7 times and crack up every single time when will it stop being funny?

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06-29-2009 , 06:00 PM

#410

bubbba82

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u shoulda jus stabbed ur mothers brown eye. now ur brown eye will be stabbed in the showers.

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07-02-2009 , 12:08 PM

#411

Rictus

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Originally Posted by prod_man

was impaled

FYP.

Last edited by Rictus; 07-02-2009 at 12:09 PM. Reason: sux at teh typing obv.

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07-02-2009 , 12:26 PM

#412

Tunaisgood

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[X] Would read again
[X] Pics or gtfo

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07-09-2009 , 10:14 AM

#413

DocDevil

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Well lets look at the bright side, now he'll play poker with his boyfriends at jail and stabbing someone after a suckout will be pretty standard and +EV there (by +EV i mean: less dudes to rape him).