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12-05-2016 , 05:35 PM
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/7940282

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I was playing 1/2 at the WinStar casino. Table was average including a couple of regs.

I was dealt K(d) K(h) UTG+1 and raised the pot to $8 dollars. Folds around to the SB and BB who both call. The SB is an old guy, not a reg, but not egregiously bad either. The BB is one of the Regs I had been talking to for the past 10 min. He seemed intelligent and experienced, had bought in for $300, and was wearing a flannel shirt, slacks, and square glasses. He just screamed organized and intelligent, not the type of player I'm trying to exploit.

If you've seen the hand, you realize the intricacy of the turn decision. I'm holding the King of diamonds which puts a potential flush draw out there. Now it's obvious he has a flush draw, in my opinion open shoving was pretty agro, but either way I'm extremely confident he has a flush. While this would be a ballsy bluff, I doubt any reg or intelligent person would contemplate bluff shoving at 1/2. The type of opponent you are usually facing would call too easily. Even if he does have a bluff here, I expect it an extremely small percentage of the time.

If he has the A(d) then I'm only drawing to the full-house/ quads with 20% equity. If he has a lower flush, I have about 34% equity. I'm the effective stack and my pot odds are $346:$172 which is approximately 2:1, meaning I have a break even percentage of 33%.

If we consider villains range, he definitely has the flush and he flatted from the BB for $8. I think his range split fairly evenly between Ace high flushes and lower flushes. Meaning half the time our flush draw is live. So all we have to do is take 20% and 34% and average them to get 27% and 27%<33%, which means it is a clear fold. He shows A(d)7(d)
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12-05-2016 , 06:18 PM
Why didn't you fold when he raised you?
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12-05-2016 , 06:26 PM
You raise from UTG+1 to $8 and it folds around to the blinds? Must be a hoax.

In most 1/2 games, bet at LEAST 12 or 14 if you don't want to play 9-handed, especially with KK OOP.
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12-05-2016 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by felix
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/7940282

Link to the hand above.

I was playing 1/2 at the WinStar casino. Table was average including a couple of regs.

I was dealt K(d) K(h) UTG+1 and raised the pot to $8 dollars. Folds around to the SB and BB who both call. The SB is an old guy, not a reg, but not egregiously bad either. The BB is one of the Regs I had been talking to for the past 10 min. He seemed intelligent and experienced, had bought in for $300, and was wearing a flannel shirt, slacks, and square glasses. He just screamed organized and intelligent, not the type of player I'm trying to exploit.

If you've seen the hand, you realize the intricacy of the turn decision. I'm holding the King of diamonds which puts a potential flush draw out there. Now it's obvious he has a flush draw, in my opinion open shoving was pretty agro, but either way I'm extremely confident he has a flush. While this would be a ballsy bluff, I doubt any reg or intelligent person would contemplate bluff shoving at 1/2. The type of opponent you are usually facing would call too easily. Even if he does have a bluff here, I expect it an extremely small percentage of the time.

If he has the A(d) then I'm only drawing to the full-house/ quads with 20% equity. If he has a lower flush, I have about 34% equity. I'm the effective stack and my pot odds are $346:$172 which is approximately 2:1, meaning I have a break even percentage of 33%.

If we consider villains range, he definitely has the flush and he flatted from the BB for $8. I think his range split fairly evenly between Ace high flushes and lower flushes. Meaning half the time our flush draw is live. So all we have to do is take 20% and 34% and average them to get 27% and 27%<33%, which means it is a clear fold. He shows A(d)7(d)
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12-06-2016 , 12:12 AM
flannel shirt raise, you fold
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12-06-2016 , 03:07 AM
Nice hand. Well played, except for your sizing on the flop. Really didn't like the min-raise.

I find it interesting that you found this hand to be so interesting. I think I've played this exact hand a million times. Maybe that's why it feels super standard to me. Regardless, good job folding and the regs at this level are pretty much always just betting for value. They are really that terrible. (even flannel's raise on the flop was probably done primarily to get value from weaker flush draws)
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12-06-2016 , 12:01 PM
Raise bigger on the flop, min click is bad. You offered too good a price, on what is likely to be a strong flush draw.

I'd prefer to see a raise to around £110 here. That way you're getting extra value for when he misses the turn, and you're also allowing him to make a mistake if he does call. Even if he does get there, he won't everytime and that's where you'll make your money.

Nh
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12-06-2016 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by felix
If we consider villains range, he definitely has the flush
Not much of a range if you ask me
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12-06-2016 , 01:51 PM
great flop raise sizing. do you coach?
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12-06-2016 , 02:14 PM
1/2 is tough game, everyone solid
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12-06-2016 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sump
great flop raise sizing. do you coach?
No, I'm actually a novice, only 19 when I played this game. Waiting to turn 21 so I can grind at my local casino. Though I'm flattered you think I could be.

Others did mention my sizing on the flop could be bigger. He/she suggested $110, but I thought Mr. Flannel was a pretty solid player for 1/2, didn't want to scare him off, though with the typical opponents I agree that my sizing could have been bigger. Maybe even against this guy too. Something like $80, $85. Usually betting that high narrows your range majorly, but in 1/2 that's not really a concern. Mostly playing against inelastic players.
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12-06-2016 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Nice hand. Well played, except for your sizing on the flop. Really didn't like the min-raise.

I find it interesting that you found this hand to be so interesting. I think I've played this exact hand a million times. Maybe that's why it feels super standard to me. Regardless, good job folding and the regs at this level are pretty much always just betting for value. They are really that terrible. (even flannel's raise on the flop was probably done primarily to get value from weaker flush draws)
Been in this situation a lot? I thought the diamond redraw made this hand especially unique. If I were just folding KK or a set, I would agree. Though I haven't been able to log many hours at poker due to my age.
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12-06-2016 , 02:34 PM
Thanks
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12-06-2016 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Omaha Boy
Not much of a range if you ask me
True, but the distinction between the Ace high flush and smaller flushes is an important one.
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12-06-2016 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by felix
True, but the distinction between the Ace high flush and smaller flushes is an important one.
Yes, they both beat your set which you should have folded on the flop. You knew you were a dog, why did you continue? You can't win.

What can you do, gotta fold them sets.
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12-09-2016 , 05:19 PM
If it was Winstar he didn't buy in for $300 in the 1/2 game ($200 max).
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12-10-2016 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TXJeff
If it was Winstar he didn't buy in for $300 in the 1/2 game ($200 max).
He told me he bought in for $300. Could have come down from 2-5? You sure?
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12-10-2016 , 03:53 PM
lol "the intricacy of the turn decision" stfu man
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12-11-2016 , 03:11 AM
Fold pre
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