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08-29-2008 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by womenhandler
This is really good. Just another question about the no hud, did you start like that or did you fade it off?
Started and played without for the longest time, then eventually started using it for a little while, and then it faded off.
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08-29-2008 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Pumpui
i will tell those stupid americans whining about euro being softer.

I had to start over with 750$ last month
decided to try prima

no matter what ***** hour(xcept at 2am-4am at my hours)

i am 8 tabling with 5 regs on 6 tables ++ 2 tables where theres 4 regs and 1 half fish at nl50

a couple pretty decent 13/12 that just take up space.. and a ton of 25/21... i logged 100k hands at party 200nl this year and raped it.. i find those 50nl game a ton harder than 200nl on party.. about the same level as party 400nl, just less agression preflop.

now that im overolled for 200nl im not even gonna try to move up on there... those small euro sites are terrible as far as fish goes


same goes for ipoker, unless you spend your whole session scanning with spade eye and switching tables, its terrible. party too but much less..

softest game i have played were stars 200nl, much softer than party 50-200nl because as the op said.. most regs are a bunch of turds playing exactly how they play in videos and also america has so many rich people never willing to learn poker better

if it wasn't for rakeback 90% of the euro grinders would be on stars/ft..
Because of the fact that there is so few games, the pros are constantly battling each other. However, learning to beat the weak regs and keeping up with the good ones is something that will come if you focus on what sgoing on at the tables and zoning in on the players instead of just relying on stats whilst 10 tabling.
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08-29-2008 , 09:17 AM
how can you say you are a true grinder when you only play 30hours a week. you can work harder i am sure

decent brag tho
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08-29-2008 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Pumpui
i will tell those stupid americans whining about euro being softer.

I had to start over with 750$ last month
decided to try prima

no matter what ***** hour(xcept at 2am-4am at my hours)

i am 8 tabling with 5 regs on 6 tables ++ 2 tables where theres 4 regs and 1 half fish at nl50

a couple pretty decent 13/12 that just take up space.. and a ton of 25/21... i logged 100k hands at party 200nl this year and raped it.. i find those 50nl game a ton harder than 200nl on party.. about the same level as party 400nl, just less agression preflop.

now that im overolled for 200nl im not even gonna try to move up on there... those small euro sites are terrible as far as fish goes


same goes for ipoker, unless you spend your whole session scanning with spade eye and switching tables, its terrible. party too but much less..

softest game i have played were stars 200nl, much softer than party 50-200nl because as the op said.. most regs are a bunch of turds playing exactly how they play in videos and also america has so many rich people never willing to learn poker better

if it wasn't for rakeback 90% of the euro grinders would be on stars/ft..
ipoker is still pretty beatable with not much game selection, just admit that you will be playing with regs and crush them
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08-29-2008 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by boywonder
Your mental, emotional state while playing is 80 % of the work, and you can work and take specific steps to get better at that. Being in the right emotional state will allow you to open up your eyes to what you and the other players are doing without being stuck in the previous hand you lost, how much you are up, what youīre gonna eat later, etc. Combine that with some basic technical steps that can be taken and you got the other 20% to at least achieve enough to live comfortably off poker. I believe, that with todays games and climate, anybody with even mediocre intelligence and some discipline could at the very least make a comfortable living playing this game.
tell me more about this emotional state thingy please
what are these specific steps? im really struggling with these kinds of things right now..
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08-29-2008 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by boywonder
Also, as I mention above, I believe hand reading to be a function of your mental / emotional state at the time more than anything else.

Ever noticed that some days you can put people on hands right and left, other days youīre just fumbling in the dark? They havenīt changed, you havenīt changed, your skills have not diminished. But you are probably not in that same emotional state you were in when playing the first game.
Good point, funny how most of us don't realize this during a session, but it's so simple and so true.
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08-29-2008 , 10:55 AM
FTP screenname?
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08-29-2008 , 11:12 AM
jesus christ those are some seirous dark side powers. 600NL just got the sh*t force choked out of them
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08-29-2008 , 11:44 AM
Not only are you awesome at poker, you can also give very awesome advice as well, you should write an article on that.
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08-29-2008 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by boywonder
Cause mostly fish who want ABC shortcuts and not have to think while playing use huds. No wonder most regs canīt beat the midstakes for more than 3 ptbb / 100 .

I am not saying it is terrible, am experimenting a little with it, but I have noticed that I too often revert to ABC play whilst using one like most TAG fish.

really agree with this, and other things you said in here too..

i have never played with HUDs either and currently have won at > 6ptBB/100 at 200, 400 and 600NL over 100K hands.

i really started to crush like that since beginning of the year, when "IT" hit me.... only play when you really WANT to play/have the urge to play
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08-29-2008 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by boywonder
Started and played without for the longest time, then eventually started using it for a little while, and then it faded off.
You could also add that a HUD will not make you any better. It's like taking drugs to be more effiscient in sport/school, but without it ur just a fish.
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08-29-2008 , 01:16 PM
Thank you very much everybody for the amount of PMs and coaching requests. As far as coaching goes, I believe that I will start by answering any questions you would have in this thread. My hourly playing poker is roughly 350 (400 incl rakeback) and to charge anywhere near that would prohibit me from a good nights sleep. At some point in the future I hope to maybe put out a training video which would be an inexpensive way for you guys too see what I am doing, how I prepare for a session, my mental checklists, etc.

As a sidenote guys, be very selective and careful when seeking coaching. Just because somebody displays a solid winrate does not mean they are able to teach, or that they will have a preffered style that will be suitable for you, your mentality and your image. When it comes to poker, I have been a very introverted learner. I have never posted on twoplustwo for strategy tips maybe bar once, I have seen a few training videos but not many and I play enough poker as to seldom discuss it outside of work hours. Perhaps this will change in the future, but so far i have been careful with the influences on my game.

Most of you guys have no basic technical problems when it comes to this game. You understand pot control, way ahead / way behind, position, equity, pot odds, 3-bet equity, etc. The reason you struggle with the more subtle technical aspects is that they usually require a good and clean state of mind whilst playing and analyzing. If you are on constant subtle tilt you will never understand your own image, your opponents projected image vs the way they actually play, what your history with a specific opponent really means and CORRECT adjustments (as opposed to a couple of 3 bets and now youīre waiting to shove any 2), and what all this basically boils down to; hand reading and putting your opponent on accurate ranges, and knowing what to do with those ranges. These qualities will separate a 2 ptbb winner, from a 5 ptbb winner. I believe that although I display a 4,7 ptbb winrate, I could have easily avoided many situations where I KNEW I was making the wrong play and made it anyway, and could easily have had a 5,5 - 6 ptbb winrate. I take responsibilty for these results.
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08-29-2008 , 01:16 PM
BTW, in the OP there is a screenshot with 8 game levels in it. when i open PT there are only 2 game levels displayed in that thing, and to view the others i have to scroll down. how do you get em all displayed like that?
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08-29-2008 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by didonk
BTW, in the OP there is a screenshot with 8 game levels in it. when i open PT there are only 2 game levels displayed in that thing, and to view the others i have to scroll down. how do you get em all displayed like that?
Hmmm... no idea...
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08-29-2008 , 01:27 PM
Sick brag.

Can u tell me one thing that will stop me taking shots way over my bankroll?

Thats my biggest problem. Sometimes i have 3 weeks where i play 1/2 and do fairly well, then i go take a shot at 10/20 and 25/50 and loose. Then i redposit when i have enough money.


I hate myself for doing that.
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08-29-2008 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by didonk
BTW, in the OP there is a screenshot with 8 game levels in it. when i open PT there are only 2 game levels displayed in that thing, and to view the others i have to scroll down. how do you get em all displayed like that?
get a bigger monitor. On my 24" there all viewable. On my 20" you have to scroll
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08-29-2008 , 02:21 PM
"The Well: Random Dude Who Crushes"
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08-29-2008 , 02:37 PM
Props to you op, thank you for your wisdom and for coming across as intelligent but not arrogant as many with a solid brag like yours would.
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08-29-2008 , 02:37 PM
boywonder-

I'd love to see a vid of you tabling 3/6nl and just discussing the metagame/leveling you are consistently processing at the table vs regs/fish/weakregs/ etc.
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08-29-2008 , 02:45 PM
how the hell can you 6-8 table 6max without a HUD? does leatherass use a HUD?
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08-29-2008 , 02:51 PM
props, very motivational
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08-29-2008 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by boywonder
As a sidenote guys, be very selective and careful when seeking coaching. Just because somebody displays a solid winrate does not mean they are able to teach, or that they will have a preffered style that will be suitable for you, your mentality and your image.
Amen, seems like everyone is a coach now
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08-29-2008 , 03:07 PM
how do you play without a hud?

how can i learn to play without a hud?

doesnt having a hud just simplify things? such as having their ats, with notes on how they adjust this depending on who's in the blinds? other stats that are open as well are just going to help you put people on a more accurate hand range-- so i dont see the purpose in playing w/o a hud.
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08-29-2008 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SKAKK
Sick brag.

Can u tell me one thing that will stop me taking shots way over my bankroll?

Thats my biggest problem. Sometimes i have 3 weeks where i play 1/2 and do fairly well, then i go take a shot at 10/20 and 25/50 and loose. Then i redposit when i have enough money.


I hate myself for doing that.
1st step: Donīt hate yourself for doing that. That alone will alleviate a lot of the problems and mental suffering you endure when and even when not playing. It will hinder your growth on a personal and professional level. Realize that it has happened, that you did it, it is past, and that it will happen again if you are not conscious about it. Never stress. Realize that it happens to hundreds of players every day. And then leave it behind you.

2nd step: Realize your nature. Are you a professional? Do you this to make a living? Is it a recreation? Is your aim solely to make money as a side income, or to improve and tangle with the best players in the world? Are you a good player (relatively speaking)? Are you a bad player enjoying himself? Do not let your ego get in the way of your answer. Most people will not not be able to answer this question thruthfully, even to themselves. Once you have established this, be at ease with the answer. Outline very specifically the goals you would like to reach. Outline how many hands are to be played at each level. Even if you somehow find yourself content to be rinse repeating like this, be at ease with that as well. Perhaps it is your nature to gamble and put money in action at the poker table instead of the roulette wheel. we need people like that as well, and they will always be part of the game. Whatever your answer, be at ease with it. Whatever goals you set up, make sure you are comfortable with them, otherwise you will abandon them.

3rd step: The next time that this happens, do not be upset. Dont throw the mouse into the wall, curse at the cat, etc etc. Instead, try to be completely present and conscious, completely aware of your feelings. What were the emotions that arose when you closed down the 2/4 table and jumped into the 25/50 with your whole roll? Become acutely aware of what thoughts your mind is producing. The anxiety, the anger, the frustration. Only in this way can you prevent it next time. The next time that these emotions rise again, you will be aware of them as they are running away with your mind. You will stop in your place, feel the emotion, and realize: There it is again. This time you will not do something that you do not want to, because you are completely aware and present of your inner mental state. You will probably close your tables and go eat, relax, work out, watch internet porn or whatever. And eventually, these emotions will dissappear altogether.

Last edited by boywonder; 08-29-2008 at 04:02 PM.
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08-29-2008 , 04:02 PM
very nice boywonder

we take a very similar approach to the game
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