I used to make single chip bets with my AAXX hands in NLO8 (.10/.25, .25/.50, .50/1). There are a lot of oppurtunities for this because of the high limp % in this game. I feel bad that I was angle shooting, but would probably still do it if I didn't find other games (w/o angle shooting) more profitable. How bad should I feel?

Here is some of the evidence:

(notice typical chat in last hand)

POKERSTARS GAME #7889853487: OMAHA HI/LO NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/01/11 - 22:59:55 (ET)
Table 'Brunsia II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: smaash ($51.90 in chips)
Seat 2: vualuck ($49.25 in chips)
Seat 3: I'm A Lookin ($149 in chips)
Seat 5: NU Starnes ($55.45 in chips)
Seat 6: BabyTay ($91.90 in chips)
Seat 7: actrosity ($52.65 in chips)
Seat 8: DirtyCuban69 ($49.75 in chips)
BabyTay: posts small blind $0.25
actrosity: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NU Starnes [Ad As 6c Td]
DirtyCuban69: folds
smaash: folds
vualuck: calls $0.50
I'm A Lookin: calls $0.50
NU Starnes: raises $50 to $50.50
BabyTay: folds
actrosity: folds
vualuck: folds
I'm A Lookin: calls $50
*** FLOP *** [Ts 5s 7d]
I'm A Lookin: checks
NU Starnes: bets $4.50
I'm A Lookin: folds
NU Starnes collected $99.25 from pot
NU Starnes: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $102.25 | Rake $3
Board [Ts 5s 7d]
Seat 1: smaash folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: vualuck folded before Flop
Seat 3: I'm A Lookin folded on the Flop
Seat 5: NU Starnes (button) collected ($99.25)
Seat 6: BabyTay (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: actrosity (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: DirtyCuban69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

POKERSTARS GAME #6139478125: OMAHA HI/LO NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/09/02 - 03:57:15 (ET)
Table 'Caubeta' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: nosenada ($32 in chips)
Seat 2: NU Starnes ($29.45 in chips)
Seat 3: jonestown75 ($15.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Hank4000 ($19.45 in chips)
Seat 6: higgins916 ($29.55 in chips)
Seat 7: magnumgoose ($10.80 in chips)
Seat 8: blacktail39 ($27.40 in chips)
Seat 9: VTXman ($10 in chips)
jonestown75: posts small blind $0.10
Hank4000: posts big blind $0.25
bo9999: sits out
nosenada: posts small & big blinds $0.35
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NU Starnes [8h 2s As Ac]
higgins916: folds
magnumgoose: folds
blacktail39: folds
VTXman: calls $0.25
nosenada: checks
NU Starnes: raises $25 to $25.25
jonestown75: folds
Hank4000: folds
VTXman: folds
nosenada: calls $25
*** FLOP *** [6h Qs 6c]
nosenada: checks
NU Starnes: bets $2.25
nosenada: folds
NU Starnes collected $48.65 from pot
NU Starnes: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $51.20 | Rake $2.55
Board [6h Qs 6c]
Seat 1: nosenada folded on the Flop
Seat 2: NU Starnes (button) collected ($48.65)
Seat 3: jonestown75 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Hank4000 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: higgins916 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: magnumgoose folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: blacktail39 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: VTXman folded before Flop

POKERSTARS GAME #6137305971: OMAHA HI/LO NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/09/01 - 23:42:44 (ET)
Table 'Deneb IV' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: stelco ($29.60 in chips)
Seat 2: NU Starnes ($43.50 in chips)
Seat 3: born2play4 ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 4: the_killer69 ($30.25 in chips)
Seat 5: bobby4144 ($5.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Benny Fisher ($5.35 in chips)
Seat 8: Eripitor ($16.90 in chips)
Seat 9: inTO ($13.40 in chips)
stelco: posts small blind $0.10
NU Starnes: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NU Starnes [Ac 7s 4s Ad]
born2play4: folds
the_killer69: calls $0.25
bobby4144: calls $0.25
Benny Fisher: folds
Eripitor: folds
inTO: calls $0.25
stelco: folds
NU Starnes: raises $25 to $25.25
the_killer69: calls $25
333777 joins the table at seat #6
bobby4144: folds
inTO: folds
*** FLOP *** [9s 9h 9c]
NU Starnes: bets $2.50
the_killer69: folds
NU Starnes collected $48.55 from pot
NU Starnes: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $51.10 | Rake $2.55
Board [9s 9h 9c]
Seat 1: stelco (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: NU Starnes (big blind) collected ($48.55)
Seat 3: born2play4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: the_killer69 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: bobby4144 folded before Flop
Seat 7: Benny Fisher folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Eripitor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: inTO (button) folded before Flop

POKERSTARS GAME #6476479794: OMAHA HI/LO NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/09/30 - 16:46:31 (ET)
Table 'Zwetana' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: NU Starnes ($33.15 in chips)
Seat 2: Trolls58 ($19.25 in chips)
Seat 3: LoaderUp ($5.25 in chips)
Seat 4: rizzle_7 ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 6: evans davies ($10.70 in chips)
Seat 7: grange33 ($26.90 in chips)
rizzle_7: posts small blind $0.10
evans davies: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NU Starnes [3c 6c Ac As]
grange33: calls $0.25
NU Starnes: raises $25 to $25.25
Trolls58: folds
LoaderUp: folds
rizzle_7: folds
evans davies: folds
grange33: calls $25
*** FLOP *** [4h 7h 5h]
grange33: checks
NU Starnes: bets $1
grange33: folds
NU Starnes collected $48.35 from pot
NU Starnes: doesn't show hand
rizzle_7 said, "how do u fold?"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.85 | Rake $2.50
Board [4h 7h 5h]
Seat 1: NU Starnes collected ($48.35)
Seat 2: Trolls58 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: LoaderUp (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: rizzle_7 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: evans davies (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: grange33 folded on the Flop

POKERSTARS GAME #7350215641: OMAHA HI/LO NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/12/08 - 06:09:19 (ET)
Table 'Jupiter' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: BruceLi ($14.50 in chips)
Seat 2: hamoor1 ($26.10 in chips)
Seat 3: NU Starnes ($77.95 in chips)
Seat 4: GR8T_ACE ($52.45 in chips)
Seat 5: digitalbar ($4.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Caramale916 ($23.90 in chips)
Seat 8: londonbred ($37.35 in chips)
Seat 9: MisterNT ($34.05 in chips)
NU Starnes: posts small blind $0.10
GR8T_ACE: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NU Starnes [Ad 8d Ac Qs]
digitalbar: folds
Caramale916: folds
londonbred: calls $0.25
MisterNT: folds
BruceLi: folds
hamoor1: folds
NU Starnes: raises $25 to $25.25
GR8T_ACE: folds
londonbred: calls $25
*** FLOP *** [3c 5d 5h]
NU Starnes: bets $9.75
londonbred: folds
NU Starnes collected $48.25 from pot
NU Starnes: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.75 | Rake $2.50
Board [3c 5d 5h]
Seat 1: BruceLi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: hamoor1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: NU Starnes (small blind) collected ($48.25)
Seat 4: GR8T_ACE (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: digitalbar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Caramale916 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: londonbred folded on the Flop
Seat 9: MisterNT folded before Flop (didn't bet)


PokerStars Game #3701579666: Omaha Hi/Lo No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/01/20 - 20:38:12 (ET)
Table 'Ducrosa' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: NU Starnes ($35.40 in chips)
Seat 2: yourfuture2 ($15.25 in chips)
Seat 3: JEMMOM ($8.85 in chips)
Seat 4: ABrave808 ($9.80 in chips)
Seat 5: calvers ($5.30 in chips)
Seat 6: ShelbyB ($15 in chips)
Seat 7: GizzyGurl ($36.90 in chips)
Seat 8: flaVius ($32.80 in chips)
Seat 9: vastud ($15.65 in chips)
ShelbyB: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NU Starnes [Qs 2c As Ad]
GizzyGurl: calls $0.25
flaVius: calls $0.25
NU Starnes: raises $25 to $25.25
flaVius: calls $25
*** FLOP *** [9c 7d Qc]
flaVius: checks
NU Starnes: bets $2.75
flaVius said, "wtf how did all my chips get in there"
GizzyGurl said, "lol"
flaVius said, "DAMMIT"
flaVius: raises $4.80 to $7.55 and is all-in
NU Starnes: calls $4.80
*** TURN *** [9c 7d Qc] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [9c 7d Qc Ks] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
flaVius: shows [2s Ah Td 8d] (HI: a pair of Kings)
NU Starnes: shows [Qs 2c As Ad] (HI: two pair, Aces and Kings)
NU Starnes collected $63.45 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $66.45 | Rake $3
Board [9c 7d Qc Ks Kd]
Seat 1: NU Starnes showed [Qs 2c As Ad] and won ($63.45) with HI: two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 8: flaVius showed [2s Ah Td 8d] and lost with HI: a pair of Kings

wow, awesome

ever have stars email you?

i ... don't ... get ... it...

Wow. This is awesome.

I have no idea why Stars would ever care?

Look at the raise amounts carefully. It's only a single-chip raise and fish don't look at the buttons - they just see one chip.

Yeah, people used to report me sometimes. One time a guy called what he thought was a $.25 bet and the software just stole his stack, but stars just said he was confused by the chips...duh.

kyle,

wow, i wouldn't have ever imagined someone so dumb. thanks for clearing that up. what's up with all the flop folds getting like 2 bagillion to 1? they still haven't chekd the pot?

Actually even if they do look at the button, it'll say $25, instead of the $0.25 they usually are calling.

Yeah, even if they look at the buttons it looks innocuous enough.

This is really awesome. How often did it work?

Hahahaha holy [censored] that's awesome

More specifically that is one chip that is the same number as what a min raise would be but in dollars instead of cents, bahaha this is awesome

this rules

This worked quite often. I could count on a handful in a session. Most of the ones here are special because of the flop folds with mega odds, but I literally did this hundreds of times.

so sick

Wow, just amazing. Definite brag

pretty sweet, you should continue

Cue everyone in BBV rushing to try this.

No way, it's .10/.25 and way too boring.

POKERSTARS GAME #6502524487: OMAHA HI/LO NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/10/03 - 02:04:38 (ET)
Table 'Fricke' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: StrikR300 ($59.35 in chips)
Seat 2: NU Starnes ($99.20 in chips)
Seat 3: davlem ($50 in chips)
Seat 4: AAA_flop_777 ($53.05 in chips)
Seat 5: Mrweb ($121.90 in chips)
Seat 6: Sophie Kat ($10 in chips)
Seat 7: seanKGB ($82.50 in chips)
Seat 9: FFWoodycooks ($46.75 in chips)
davlem: posts small blind $0.25
AAA_flop_777: posts big blind $0.50
Sophie Kat: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NU Starnes [2c Ah 5s Ac]
Mrweb: calls $0.50
Sophie Kat: checks
seanKGB: folds
FFWoodycooks: calls $0.50
StrikR300: folds
NU Starnes: raises $50 to $50.50
davlem: folds
AAA_flop_777: folds
Mrweb: calls $50
Sophie Kat: folds
FFWoodycooks: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h 4h 6d]
Mrweb: checks
NU Starnes: bets $25
Mrweb: calls $25
*** TURN *** [3h 4h 6d] [Kc]
Mrweb: checks
NU Starnes: bets $23.70 and is all-in
Mrweb: calls $23.70
*** RIVER *** [3h 4h 6d Kc] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Mrweb: shows [Jd 8s Jc 6c] (HI: a pair of Jacks)
NU Starnes: shows [2c Ah 5s Ac] (HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 6,4,3,2,A)
NU Starnes collected $98.60 from pot
NU Starnes collected $98.55 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $200.15 | Rake $3
Board [3h 4h 6d Kc 9d]
Seat 1: StrikR300 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: NU Starnes (button) showed [2c Ah 5s Ac] and won ($197.15) with HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 6,4,3,2,A
Seat 3: davlem (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: AAA_flop_777 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Mrweb showed [Jd 8s Jc 6c] and lost with HI: a pair of Jacks
Seat 6: Sophie Kat folded before Flop
Seat 7: seanKGB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: FFWoodycooks folded before Flop


POKERSTARS GAME #6783260010: OMAHA HI/LO NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/10/26 - 22:32:09 (ET)
Table 'Kraz II' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: TheKaiser21 ($231.30 in chips)
Seat 2: NU Starnes ($94.30 in chips)
Seat 3: frankster200 ($151.40 in chips)
Seat 4: thefranchise ($48.70 in chips)
Seat 5: AAA_flop_777 ($131.60 in chips)
Seat 6: hef62 ($59.40 in chips)
Seat 7: amberlite ($21.15 in chips)
Seat 8: 8 PEOPLES ($108.30 in chips)
Seat 9: popsycle ($73.55 in chips)
AAA_flop_777: posts small blind $0.50
hef62: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NU Starnes [Ah Th Ad 7s]
amberlite: calls $1
8 PEOPLES: folds
popsycle: folds
TheKaiser21: raises $1 to $2
NU Starnes: raises $50 to $52
frankster200: folds
thefranchise: folds
AAA_flop_777: folds
hef62: folds
amberlite: folds
TheKaiser21: calls $50
*** FLOP *** [Td 9c Jh]
TheKaiser21: bets $112
NU Starnes: calls $42.30 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Td 9c Jh] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [Td 9c Jh Qs] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TheKaiser21: shows [2h Js 4h As] (HI: a pair of Jacks)
NU Starnes: shows [Ah Th Ad 7s] (HI: two pair, Tens and Sevens)
NU Starnes collected $188.10 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $191.10 | Rake $3
Board [Td 9c Jh Qs 7h]
Seat 1: TheKaiser21 showed [2h Js 4h As] and lost with HI: a pair of Jacks
Seat 2: NU Starnes showed [Ah Th Ad 7s] and won ($188.10) with HI: two pair, Tens and Sevens
Seat 3: frankster200 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: thefranchise (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: AAA_flop_777 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: hef62 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: amberlite folded before Flop
Seat 8: 8 PEOPLES folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: popsycle folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I tried this on Party a few times back in the day and it never worked. Is there something about Stars software that makes it easier to believe?

Er, still pretty low. It seems pretty boring.

STOP GIVING OTHER PEOPLE IDEAS I AM GOING TO TRY THIS OUT

This used to work better when stars had the glitch where you could reload your stack in the middle of a hand. Then you'd always have more than a full stack for these bets.

I think this actually may work best on multitablers.

Can you give some numbers such as:

% of time this worked
hourly rate when 1-4 tabling in terms of PTBB/100
etc.

lol @ this post