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Brutal Beat (First Significant Live Tourney) Brutal Beat (First Significant Live Tourney)

08-14-2018 , 04:55 PM
Brief outline - After having studied a fair bit in short bursts, but never taken bankroll seriously or respected the grind, I decided to start playing again. A few months after starting the microstakes grind online, and playing some live cash games, I was traveling in Southeast Asia. A friend was going to play some Asian Poker Tour Macau events, so I decided to go along and take a shot or two (knowing I was only able to play a couple tourneys, and nowhere near rolled for them). $3,300 HKD buyin (around $550 CDN) APT Macau Welcome Event.
A few hours in, I am a bit ahead of the average, playing decently against the field. Nobody is ridiculously ahead, with a pretty tight spread of chip stacks. I get dealt pocket kings in the small blind, and end up getting all my money in on the flop, against a two-outer. Spoiler - I lose and end up busting from my first outing with the worst individual bad beat of the tournament (rarely gets worse than a two-outer being hit after post-flop shoves).


Hand Information
, 200 BB (8 handed).
Hand History converter courtesy of pokerhandreplays.com

Table Information
Seat: 1 hero ($14600) Small Blind
Seat: 2 seat 2 ($7700) Big Blind
Seat: 4 seat 4 ($2700)
Seat: 5 seat 5 ($8600)
Seat: 6 seat 6 ($5800)
Seat: 7 villian ($16400)
Seat: 9 seat 9 ($2100)
Seat: 10 seat 10 ($5600) Dealer
Dealt to hero
**

Preflop (Pot:300)
seat 4****FOLD
seat 5****CALL
seat 6****FOLD
villian****RAISE $700
seat 9****CALL
seat 10****FOLD
hero****RAISE $2200
seat 2****FOLD
seat 5****FOLD
villian****CALL
seat 9****FOLD

Flop(Pot: $6300)
***

hero****BET $3200
villian****ALL-IN
hero****CALL

Turn(Pot: $26200)
****


River(Pot: $26200)
*****

Showdown:
villian SHOWS
**
hero MUCKS

villian**wins the pot: $26200

Last edited by Ryazzz; 08-14-2018 at 05:08 PM.
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08-14-2018 , 04:57 PM
bet turn.
fold river.
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08-14-2018 , 04:58 PM
Turn? River?

He bluff shoved over my flop Cbet. I snap called, and he was on a two outer. Hit on the river.
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08-14-2018 , 05:01 PM
You had two chances.

Making one mistake is acceptable, two is inexcusable.
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08-14-2018 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
You had two chances.

Making one mistake is acceptable, two is inexcusable.
You should take a moment and read the hand history. You must have read it too quickly to digest. You seem confused about what happened. I didn't make any mistakes. There was no turn or river play at all.
The decisions I made were as follows -
1) 3bet preflop with KK from the sb
2) Cbet on a low paired board against one caller, whose ranged should include almost, if not ZERO 9s.
3) Called a flop 3bet shove with an overpair that was absolutely crushing his range.

As of the last decision made, when ALL OF THE MONEY WAS IN THE POT i had 92%+ equity. Please explain to me which mistake you are referring to.
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08-14-2018 , 05:13 PM
You're the one who isn't understanding.

You had two solid chances to get away and you missed both of them
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08-14-2018 , 05:13 PM
Flop(Pot: $6300)
***

hero****BET $3200
villian****ALL-IN
hero****CALL



This is the part you missed. Maybe you were confused because the hand replay maker I used defaults on "muck losing hand"? The cards were faceup on the flop, as that is when all the money went in.
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08-14-2018 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bigdaddycope
You're the one who isn't understanding.

You had two solid chances to get away and you missed both of them

Two solid chances to get away from what? Is everybody just skipping the actual play of the hand and assuming stacks went in on the river?
"Two chances to get away" doesn't even make sense..... The ONE time I responded to aggression, it was on the flop, calling a terrible bluff-shove for ENTIRE STACKS. There was no turn play. I got my entire stack in as over an 11:1 favorite during flop play. I was the one with KK. What is confusing?
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08-14-2018 , 05:20 PM
Maybe occasionally he has 33 for the boat when he shoves over my flop Cbet. Maybe some rare times he will show A9 suited or some other weird suited 9. Those should be a VERY small part of his range, and in fact are. Most of the hands he makes that flop shove with are pocket pairs that my Kings are crushing, or outright bluffs. One more time, and stated very clearly - entire stacks went in on the flop, when I snap-called his shove and hands were turned over, i was better than 11:1 to more than double up. AFTER THE MONEY WAS ALLIN ON THE FLOP, he ended up hitting a two-outer on the river. Does this clear anything up for you two at all?
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08-14-2018 , 05:21 PM
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08-14-2018 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
bet turn.
fold river.
I assume this is the infamous trolling I've been told is rampant on 2+2?
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08-14-2018 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bigdaddycope
You're the one who isn't understanding.

You had two solid chances to get away and you missed both of them
People should return to the thread and eat their humble pie, when necessary, if intending to be so forthright/combative/arrogant in threads. Be confident, even condescending, if you like, I don't mind.
After realizing your error, don't just slink away quietly. A simple "oops, i misunderstood, sorry" wouldn't crush egos.
If, for some reason, I were so inclined to be condescending to strangers, I'd at least have the decency to acknowledge mistakes. Perhaps I'd even apologize once shown plainly I was mistakenly unpleasant.
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08-14-2018 , 05:35 PM
Go ahead and explain. I am pretty sure that somewhere between hastily typing out your reply, and actually posting it, you'll realize you're mistaken and spare yourself the humbling moment?
Which two chances? Why exactly do I want to "get away" from a hand that I got my entire stack in as a 11:1 favorite?
This should simplify things even further - I had a far better edge in this situation as result of this decision, and it was more +EV than the following - If I could know 100% preflop that my opponent has 72 offsuit, when I have AA, and he shoves into me preflop. Calling that hypothetical dream situation has me as a LESSER favorite than my situation in the above hand history. Would you want to call a preflop shove from an exposed 72 hand when you are sitting on AA? If so, you'd happily take a lesser edge than you told me to "get away from". Please, explain. I have time.
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08-14-2018 , 05:38 PM
Wow OP. Are you sure you’re studying the right material? This is a clear fold pre when you are playing outside of your bankroll.
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08-14-2018 , 05:38 PM
Knowingly calling AA of the same suits into a 72off preflop shove - 89 : 11
Calling KK into 34 shove on a 9,9,3 board - approx 93 :7

If you didn't somehow misunderstand the hand history, and you genuinely think one should "get away" from 11:1 situations, and not call allin bets with 90% equity, I'd love to play against you some time.
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08-14-2018 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tarheels2222
Wow OP. Are you sure you’re studying the right material? This is a clear fold pre when you are playing outside of your bankroll.
Fold to a 3.5bb open raise from mp when sitting on KK in the sb? Interesting strategy! Please, teach me more! Is AA in your pf 3bet range, or are you folding that too?
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08-14-2018 , 05:42 PM
Yeah, but you were only 79% pre flop.

The equity isn’t enough when you’re under rolled.
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08-14-2018 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryazzz
Fold to a 3.5bb open raise from mp when sitting on KK in the sb? Interesting strategy! Please, teach me more! Is AA in your pf 3bet range, or are you folding that too?
I only play AA+. Learned from one of the best.
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08-14-2018 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tarheels2222
Wow OP. Are you sure you’re studying the right material? This is a clear fold pre when you are playing outside of your bankroll.
Actually amusing btw... Reminds me of commentary during that recent Doug Polk vid of him streaming while tilted at the micros (bankroll challenge)
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08-14-2018 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryazzz
Actually amusing btw... Reminds me of commentary during that recent Doug Polk vid of him streaming while tilted at the micros (bankroll challenge)
Like I said, I’ve been learning from one of the best. You should take some notes.
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08-14-2018 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tarheels2222
I only play AA+. Learned from one of the best.
Pfft, I 6bet shove J7o PF, and have a bad haircut at all times. Also learned from one of the best
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08-14-2018 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by tarheels2222
Yeah, but you were only 79% pre flop.

The equity isn’t enough when you’re under rolled.
Skillful trolling, as it would be hard to pack this many mistakes into one sentence accidentally. Being new here, this is going to take some getting used to. I don't doubt there are actually going to be some people on here that are genuinely that clever....
I can already see myself becoming major troll-bait in the future :s
Also assumed this was the first dude, at a glance.... the serious one, not the amusing one
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08-14-2018 , 05:50 PM
Lol. But I’m all seriousness, hands like these are what make love poker so attractive. The donkeys are everywhere. Especially in tournaments.
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08-14-2018 , 05:51 PM
Sucks you lost, but I’d be ecstatic to have these people at my table.
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08-14-2018 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tarheels2222
Sucks you lost, but I’d be ecstatic to have these people at my table.
Yeah, it was encouraging. Of course, I'd love to play with people like this any time I can. That said, it was harsh that it was an APT event, my first significant one, I was all excited and ****, and had joked in advance with friends about busting on some horrific suckout (the joke was aces cracked by some fish with 97 or something, so actually less disgusting than what happened). The trip itself was expensive af too, as Macau is basically a shopping mall for overly wealthy Chinese people, and not much else... This hand was the last one of the level, before a break. The vast majority of the 30 or so players left in the tournament were gathered around (as crowds tend to during allins near break time). There was a collective cringe/gasp from other players and the table, and even the dealer made a noise... Pretty sick lol... I I would have been in good shape to cash for a few grand at least there, had that gone the way it does the other 11 of 12 times lol...
Welcome to live events!
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