07-18-2011 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Land Of The Free?
Hence the question, how can you take AKs away from his range on the flop? Let's compute that for a minute....lol
Assume the flop came out Ad Jc 6c. In this case I wouldn't put it past villain to have Ac Kc to give him TPTKNFD.

But since it came out rainbow, there was a lot less of a chance that he would shove with just TPTK.
07-18-2011 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by KingBorgo
You range him AA, KK, AKs. You flop a set. You now beat 2/3 of the hands you range him on. You fold.

...does not compute.
Actually, there are 4 combinations for AKs, 12 combinations for AKo, 6 combinations for AA, 6 combinations for KK.
07-18-2011 , 01:42 AM
OP, by your logic you should have just folded preflop. If your only chance of winning this hand is to flop TOP SET then why the **** even play the hand?

Horrible fold, and I honestly doubt if it even happened.
07-18-2011 , 01:49 AM
[QUOTE=zackryan28;27673714]OP, by your logic you should have just folded preflop. If your only chance of winning this hand is to flop TOP SET then why the **** even play the hand?

Horrible fold, and I honestly doubt if it even happened

If, it didn't happen, why would I still be on here defending myself?
Also, think about this. If I put him on AA, KK or AKs preflop then I could easily continue the hand with a flop of Q J x or even K K J or A A J. In the latter two cases if he flopped quads I'm paying him off, but I don't see people flopping quads against a boat often.
07-18-2011 , 01:49 AM
I don't doubt the stupidity of some Poker players.

Today this one old guy limped in LP, the BTN limped, I raised 5x to \$25, the old guy flats, the BTN shoves for about \$200, I fold and the old guy folds, claiming he just folded QQ.

Later on UTG raised to \$35, old guy calls in the SB, I make it \$105 with AA in the BB, UTG flats, old guy flats. Flop A-Q-x. Old guy donk-shoves \$185. He had AJ. True story.
07-18-2011 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ItWuzSuited...

If, it didn't happen, why would I still be on here defending myself?
Also, think about this. If I put him on AA, KK or AKs preflop then I could easily continue the hand with a flop of Q J x or even K K J or A A J. In the latter two cases if he flopped quads I'm paying him off, but I don't see people flopping quads against a boat often.
Thanks OP. You give the rest of us hope that live poker is still beatable with ppl like you still playing.
07-18-2011 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Craggoo
Thanks OP. You give the rest of us hope that live poker is still beatable with ppl like you still playing.
I'm pretty sure the game is much more profitable when people pay you off... in case you're a little slow, you'd make more money if my set of jacks paid off your set of Aces.

And no, I don't just fold all the time without the nuts, so you couldn't just bluff me all the time.

Seems like most of you need to read all the information given before making a decision.

Granted, if the player was unfamiliar you're damn right Im snap calling with middle set for my whole stack. But that wasn't the case. I knew the villain.
07-18-2011 , 02:06 AM
Why are people even replying to this in the first place?
07-18-2011 , 03:02 AM
[ ] folded set over set
07-18-2011 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by SUITEDACESLOL
Why are people even replying to this in the first place?
All of us US players are bored to death thats why
07-18-2011 , 03:48 AM
if he shoves AA, why wouldn't he shove AKs?
07-18-2011 , 04:13 AM
lol bad fold this is no brag its embarrassing, you don't fold the 2nd nuts to a huge overbet shove unless you can see his cards lol.

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Originally Posted by squashmats
if he shoves AA, why wouldn't he shove AKs?
exactly he has it almost 3 times more than he has AA.
07-18-2011 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ItWuzSuited...
I think most of you didn't read my entire OP. Perhaps you missed the part where I said Villain was an older gentleman that I was familiar with. In my experience with the OLDER gentleman whom I was FAMILIAR with NEVER bluffed. When he 4 bet me preflop it screamed AA or KK.

Had it been some young punk with a hoody listening to an iPod I'm sure the hand would've have played out completely differently.

What I still can't understand is how people are saying 'bad fold' or 'snap call even if you know you're beat.' Especially to the person who says 'snap call even if you know you're beat,' perhaps you should stop playing poker if you're willing to give up 100bb knowing that you're beat.

Again, the familiar situation lead to my decision. It's similar to when player holds only A high and calls an aggrodonks all in on the river. Most people would say calling with A high is crazy, but if you KNOW YOUR OPPONENT it makes it a hell of a lot easier.

BTW, I love playing with people like you who can't make a good fold given enough information.

lol if this is a serious post quit poker
07-18-2011 , 05:13 AM
07-18-2011 , 05:20 AM
nice
07-18-2011 , 05:30 AM
[x] phil hellmuth itt

i folded set over set once, then i jumped on a flying pig's back and he flew me to hell, which had mysteriously frozen over.
07-18-2011 , 06:41 AM
Lol @ folding sets in 1-2 donk games
07-18-2011 , 07:44 AM
op i feel for ya came on here with a legit brag and get these sht replies.....gg, keep it up, and dont expect props at 2p2
07-18-2011 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ItWuzSuited...
All he needed to do was check the flop and I would've fired \$100 or so at him.
Even if I did flop a set I'd still be pretty wary about someone who pre-flop raises/re-raises and then checks the flop. In that case I probably would have checked behind him, but then again you are the one with the reads.

Nice lay down though, I always love watching people that know each other well playing heads up. Makes for some really sick plays.
07-18-2011 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by st0jjj

exactly he has it almost 3 times more than he has AA.
No, technically on the flop there are 3 combos of AA and 3 combos of AKs left, a range against which OP still has 50% equity on the flop.

I still don't understand how OP can know villain well enough to know for sure that he shoves 2x pot on the flop with AA but not AKs, especially since by definition any AKs on an Ah rainbow flop has a BDFD.

And the idea that OP knows villain well enough to take AKo completely out of his PF 4betting range.

OP, don't try to defend that play, it was horrendous. You'd obviously not thought about your equity against AA/AK on the flop and now you try to convince us that villain shoves AA but not AKs on that flop?

Come on...what's the difference? What does he do with AKs then, if you know him that well? That's what I want to know.

Does he bet/fold AKs because you have a set every time you shove? Does he just check the flop? I'm starting to get an idea of how your games play. Just over pot shove with the nuts and bet fold with the top of your range.

Ok...

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Originally Posted by saultnutz
op i feel for ya came on here with a legit brag and get these sht replies.....gg, keep it up, and dont expect props at 2p2
You're wrong. People give props when they're deserved. This was a horrendous play. To think otherwise you must truly be a fish or an idiot.
07-18-2011 , 09:42 AM
nit, horrible fold
07-18-2011 , 09:45 AM
Relax bros...op was obviously top set mining and bricked the flop. Good fold!
07-18-2011 , 09:59 AM
Regardless of what everyone is saying about the math etc etc etc...

You had a gut feeling...you went with it...and YOU WERE RIGHT

Sure the +EV over a thousand hands is to snap call but in this particular instance you just saved yourself a buy-in.

We have all seen this type of nit "old guy", they never shove without the nuts, I saw a guy last week fold a royal flush draw after the flop to a set of queens face up when the bbjp was \$350k...everyone at the table nearly punched him in the face
07-18-2011 , 10:08 AM
350k bbjp for what? A set broken by a RF?
07-18-2011 , 10:12 AM
grunching; wp OP, dont listen to these haters. He showed top set, you were obv right!

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