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Me and a few friends went bowling and were watching the league bowlers and propping on whether or not they would make a specific shot. So this guy has 1 pin left right next to the gutter and we made a prop that he would hit said pin. I propped on him hitting it and my friend thought he would miss. The ball bounced in and out of the gutter hitting the pin. While I thought this was a victory, the bowler did not count the shot due to it bouncing out of the gutter but the pin was still knocked down. Would I win the prop? The bet was only to see if he would hit the pin, no specific rules were applied before the shot was taken. Does he owe me or do I owe him???

Bowling is a game in which players attempt to score points by rolling a bowling ball along a flat surface, usually a wooden or synthetic surface, either into objects called pins or to get close to a target ball.[1] There are many forms of bowling, with one of the most recent being ten-pin bowling and the earliest dating back to ancient Egypt.[2][3] Other places where bowling was first seen were ancient Finland and Yemen,[4] and in A.D. 300 in Germany.[2][3] The first standardized rules were established in New York City, on September 9, 1895.[5] Today, bowling is enjoyed by 95 million people in more than ninety countries worldwide [6] and continues to grow through entertainment mediums such as video games for home consoles and hand held devices.[7]

Health benefits

Bowling is an anaerobic type of physical exercise, similar to walking with free weights. Bowling helps in burning calories and works muscle groups not usually exercised. The flexing and stretching in bowling works tendons, joints, ligaments, and muscles in the arms and promotes weight loss. Apart from the physical benefits it also has psychosocial benefits, strengthening friendships or creating new ones in groups.[8]
Bowling safety

Like any other physical activity, warming up helps to prevent injuries. Checking the soles of shoes for sticky objects helps to avoid falls. Since bowling balls are heavy with varying weight ranges, to avoid back and wrist injury they should be picked up with both hands. It’s recommended to bend one’s knees while picking up bowling balls to avoid back injuries. The bowling ball return mechanism has a driven wheel, and bowlers should keep their hands clear of it. [9][10]

Four main variations are found in North America, varying especially in New England and parts of Canada.

tenpin
largest and heaviest pins, bowled with a large ball, and the most popular size in North America
candlepin
tall, thin, and bowled with a handheld ball
duckpin
short, squat, and bowled with a handheld ball
fivepin
tall, between duckpins and candlepins in diameter with a rubber girdle, bowled with a handheld ball, mostly found in Canada

thanks for the definition of bowling....this was 10 pin fwiw

Outdoor variations

A bowls tournament in Berrigan, New South Wales, Australia.

The second category of bowling is usually played outdoors on a lawn. At outdoor bowling, the players throw a ball, which is sometimes eccentrically weighted, in an attempt to put it closest to a designated point or slot in the bowling arena. Included in the outdoor category:

* Lawn bowls
* Bocce
* Pétanque
* Irish road bowling
* Cherokee marbles

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looks like you forgot to include "who gives a sh**" in the poll.

Bowling Allies of the late 1950’s and early 1960’s, in the US and Pacific Southwest - “small cities in themselves”

Bowling alley construction was considered “an important facet” of property development in the western United States in the late 1950’s and early 1960’s, described by the LA Times as and “are small cities in themselves”, some of which cost tens of millions of dollars (in 1960’s dollars). Developer Louis Lesser was described by the Los Angeles Times as “the most active in this field” of bowling alley development. By 1962, he had developed nine bowling alleys. The biggest in size as of 1962 was Parkway Lanes in El Cajon, developed at a cost of ($1 million 1962) with 60 alleys, five acres of parking. The facility had “varied entertainment rivaling the best in night clubs”, according to the LA Times, with “headliners”, such as Louis Prima, Lili St. Cyr, Johnny Ray, Frankie Lane, and Roberta Linn appeared at Parkway, developed by Lesser with Irvin Kahn and George Hirsch. Legion Lanes was developed by Lesser with Ted Bentley into a 44-lane bowling alley from the Hollywood American Legion Stadium boxing arena, at El Centro and Hollywood Blvd., at a $14,088,300 (adjusted for inflation). The facility included a playroom for children, cocktail bar, billiard room, and snack bar. NBC provided its lot for temporary parking during construction, and Milt Enright became manager of the facility. By 1962, Lesser also had planned development of bowling alleys in Australia, New Zealand, and Japan, as bowling competed with cricket, soccer, and rugby as national pastimes in these countries. In 1960, Lesser developed a bowling alley in Indio, CA, at a cost of $5,283,113 (adjusted for inflation), in 1959, the $14,620,848 (adjusted for inflation) “Beach City” Santa Monica Civic Lanes in Santa Monica, California, also to house the Santa Monica Civic Club, and Samoa Lanes at 5th and Broadway in Santa Monica, both with 24 lanes, “equipped with automated pinsetters, a billiard room, children’s playroom, coffee shop, and cocktail lounge”.[11][12][13][14][15]

By the rules the league bowlers were playing they didn't "make the shot" so you lose. Pay up and take this garbage to OOT.

Summary

The 41.5-inch (105 cm) wide, 60-foot (18 m) lane is bordered along its length by "gutters” — semicylindrical channels designed to collect errant balls. The narrow lane prevents bowling a straight line at the angle required to consistently carry (knock down) all ten pins for a strike. Most skillful bowlers will roll a more difficult-to-control hook ball to overcome this. There is a foul line at the end of the lane nearest to the bowler: if any part of a bowler’s body touches the lane side of this line after the ball is delivered (rolled), it is called a foul and any pins knocked over by that delivery are scored as zero (0). (The bowler is allowed a shot at a new rack of ten pins if he fouled on the first roll of a frame.) Behind the foul line is an “approach” approximately 15 feet (5 m) long used to gain speed and leverage on the ball before delivering it. 60 feet (18 m) from the foul line, where the lane terminates, it is joined to a roughly 36-inch (91 cm) deep by 41.5-inch (105 cm) wide surface of durable and impact-resistant material called the "pin deck," where each rack of pins is set.
[edit] Play

The bowler is allowed ten frames in which to knock down pins, with frames one (1) through nine (9) being composed of up to two rolls. The tenth frame may be composed of up to three rolls: the bonus roll(s) following a strike or spare in the tenth (sometimes referred to as the eleventh and twelfth frames) are fill ball(s) used only to calculate the score of the mark rolled in the tenth.

Bowling has a unique scoring system that can be notoriously confusing to newcomers if the score is to be taken by hand.[citation needed] The bowler attempts to score a game with multiple marks (strikes and spares). Effectively, there are three kinds of marks given in a score; a strike (all ten down in the first ball), a spare (all ten down by the second ball), and an open (missed pins still standing when the turn ends). A strike wins you ten points plus the points for the next two balls thrown (for example if you got a strike then followed with a 7 then 2 your value for the strike would be 10+7+2, or 19). A spare wins you ten points plus the points for the next ball thrown (again, if you get a spare then follow it with 7 pins down your value for the spare would be 10+7, or 17). Open frames are added normally (example: you knock down 5 on your first ball and 3 on your second your open frame would be worth 5+3, or 8 points). The maximum score in tenpin bowling is 300. This consists of getting 12 strikes in a row in one game, and is also known as a perfect game.

We arent league bowlers ******....therefor why would we follow they're rules, also never specified just said the pin must fall

Origins

In 1930, British anthropologist Sir Flinders Petrie, along with a team of archaeologists, discovered various primitive bowling balls, bowling pins and other materials in the grave of an Egyptian boy dating to 3200 BC, which was over 5200 years ago, very shortly before the reign of Narmer, one of the very first Egyptian pharaohs. Their discovery represents the earliest known historical trace of bowling.[1],[2] However, some dismiss these findings[citation needed], arguing that bowling originated in Germany in AD 300 [1],[2]. The first written reference to bowling dates to 1366, when King Edward III of England banned his troops from playing the game so that they would not be distracted from their archery practice.[3] It is believed that King Henry VIII bowled using cannon balls. In Germany the game of Kegal (Kegelspiel) expanded. The Kegal game grew in Germany and around other parts of Europe with Keglars rolling balls at nine pins, or skittles.[4][5] To this day, bowlers in the United States and United Kingdom are also referred to as "keglers."

Ninepin bowling was introduced to America from Europe during the colonial era, similar to the game of skittles.[6] It became very popular and was called “Bowl on the Green.” The Dutch, English, and Germans all brought their own versions of the game to the New World, where it enjoyed continued popularity, although not without some controversy. In 1841 a law in Connecticut banned ninepin bowling lanes due to associated gambling and crime, and people were said to circumvent the letter of the prohibition by adding an extra pin, resulting in the game of ten-pin bowling.[7]

A painting which dates from around 1810, and has been on display at the International Bowling Hall of Fame and Museum in St. Louis, Missouri, however, shows British bowlers playing the sport outdoors, with a triangular formation of ten pins, chronologically before it appeared in the United States. A photograph of this painting appeared in the pages of the US-based "Bowler's Journal" magazine in 1988.

Playing area
The sport of ten-pin bowling is performed on a straight, narrow surface known as a lane. This bowling lane is 60 feet (18.29 m) from the foul line to the head pin (1-pin). About 15 feet (4.57 m) from the foul line are a set of guide arrows. The lane is 41.5 inches (1.05 m) wide and normally consists of 39 wooden boards or a synthetic material. The bowling lane has two sets of approach dots; from the foul line back to the first set of approach dots is about 12 feet (3.66 m) and to the second set of approach dots is about 15 feet (4.57 m) (an additional 3 feet (0.91 m)). Although this figure varies, the lane is protected by about 18 ml of oil. The PBA events use about 30 ml of oil, and the PWBA events use 25 ml. The oil starts from about 4 inches from the foul line and is applied for about 38 feet (11.58 m) down the lane from that point.
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Position of the ten pins from above.
USBC rules specify that a pin must be 15 inches (38 cm) tall and about 4.7 inches (12 cm) wide at its widest point, where a rolling ball would make contact. There are additional measurements which delineate the shape. The weight of a single pin must be at least 3 pounds, 6 ounces (1.47 kg) and no more than 3 pounds, 10 ounces (1.64 kg). Within a set of ten pins, the individual weights may vary by no more than 4 ounces (113.4 g), if made from wood or plastic coated, or just 2 ounces (56.7 g) if synthetic. The top of the pin shall have a uniform arc with a radius of 1.273 inches (32.3 mm), ± 1/32 inch (31.5 – 33 mm).
The USBC also has regulations governing the weight distribution of the pin from top-to-bottom. Pins are allowed one or two “voids” (holes) in the belly area (which can be viewed if the pin is cut in half from top-to-bottom). The voids are needed to balance the narrower top half of the pin with the wider bottom half. Without them, the pins would be too bottom-heavy to fall properly when struck.
The pins must show the name and mark of the maker, either “USBC Approved” or “BTBA Approved” and appear uniform.
The head pin or 1 pin stands on board 20 of the lane.
[edit]Bowling ball
The circumference of the ball must not be more than 2.25 feet (0.69 m), and the ball cannot weigh more than 16 pounds (7.26 kg). The ball must have a smooth surface over its entire circumference except for holes or indentations used for gripping the ball, holes or indentations made to bring the ball back into compliance with weight-distribution regulations, identification letters and numbers, and general wear from normal use.
For much of the history of bowling, bowling balls were made using a three piece construction method. Starting in the mid 1990s, however, most manufacturers switched to a two-piece method. In response to these innovative ball designs, the American Bowling Congress placed further restrictions on the technical characteristics of the ball such as the radius of gyration and hooking potential.[3]
[edit]Rules of play
A game of bowling consists of ten frames. In each frame, the bowler will have two chances to knock down as many pins as possible with his bowling ball. In games with more than one bowler, as is common, every bowler will take his frame in a predetermined order before the next frame begins. If a bowler is able to knock down all ten pins with the first ball, he is awarded a strike. If the bowler is able to knock down all 10 pins with the two balls of a frame, it is known as a spare. Bonus points are awarded for both of these, depending on what is scored in the next 2 balls (for a strike) or 1 ball (for a spare). If the bowler knocks down all 10 pins in the tenth frame, the bowler is allowed to throw 3 balls for that frame. This allows for a potential of 12 strikes in a single game, and a maximum score of 300 points, a perfect game.

To answer your question OP, if you happened to take the opposite bet, and your friend took your bet, and then your friend ran over to the pin and kicked it down, who would win the bet?

Get it?

I'm on your side man the bet was the pin was to be knocked over, not the pin was to be knocked over according to the official rules of bowling.

2-1-3

Once the ball hits the gutter, the ball is dead. The pin does not count.

In gambling, a proposition bet (also called a side bet, prop bet, prop, or exotic) is a bet made on an outcome or a proposition. These can be anything from statistics and happenstance in a regular game to personal, one-of-a-kind bets. Examples of the former include betting on which team scores first in a match, or which cards are flopped in poker. An example of a one-of-a-kind bet, detailed in the book "The Professor, The Banker, and The Suicide King", was David Grey betting Howard Lederer, a vegetarian due to gastric bypass surgery, $10,000 that he wouldn't eat a cheeseburger. (Lederer ate the cheeseburger, and won.)

In casino games, the house often offers proposition bets (which are usually called side bets) on games like blackjack and craps. These bets are often not favored by experienced gamblers as the house edge on them far exceeds the house edge on the normal game. For example, the Super 7's side bet in blackjack has a house edge of 12.6%, while blackjack itself has a house edge of less than 1% if the player follows basic strategy.

the pin was knocked down so this wouldnt be possible unless he stands the pin up and knocks it down again...Get it?

This is a dumb example that isn't relevant.

exactly....I dont see why this is so hard for people to understand

Bowls is a sport in which the goal is to roll slightly asymmetric balls, called bowls, closest to a smaller—normally white—bowl called the "jack" or "kitty". Bowls, either flat- or crown-green,[clarification needed] is usually played outdoors, on grass and synthetic surfaces. Flat-green bowls can also be played indoors on synthetic surfaces. Both variants are collectively known as "lawn bowls".

Bowls belongs to the boules sport family, and so is related to bocce and pétanque. It is most popular in Australia, New Zealand (where the natural playing surface is cotula), the United Kingdom, and in other Commonwealth nations.

think u won it

OP, you win imo.

Villain reneged on bet, says I used different words etc..o well

OP you lost this bet imo.

The ball went into the gutter and therefore you lost. Just because it happened to bounce out and hit the pin doesnt mean you won.

You didnt specify any rules prior to the shot so therefore wouldnt the bet be based upon bowling rules?