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08-14-2009 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Vantek
To be honest, considering what horrible douchebag I started to think BM is, it is actually pleasantly surprising to see him pay back lol. I think he deserves a pat on the head.

You're a douchebag, Brett, but not the worst possible kind of douchebag. lol.
he does not deserve a pat on the head for returning money b/c having his feelings/rep/etc hurt doesn't make him any less responsible for the debt
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08-14-2009 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by footscrayzy
So Brett is ITT campaigning to have the thread deleted once he pays the stolen money back. What a weasel.
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Originally Posted by subandi
but thats a good sign no
reads: I have them
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08-14-2009 , 02:49 PM
HANG ON A SECOND, HE PAYED BACK 300, NOT 3000. Oldest scamming trick in the book, pay back a small % to take the heat off your back and hope the whole thing dies down.

I recognise this trick when I see it as I got done myself before when a guy payed me back 300 out of the 1k he owed me and I stupidly believed he intended to pay the rest back. It worked for him, took the heat off and I never saw the rest of the cash.

Brett Mrwolski or whatever his name is pure scum based on what I've seen on this thread. I woudn't expect to see the rest of the 3k.
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08-14-2009 , 02:56 PM
should be 3k + mega interest in that case
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08-14-2009 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ch3ckraise
GJ Speedlimits.
If/when the payments complete I say we all chip in and send his mom some flowers.
instead u can buy his mom a pearl necklace for 3K from me.

...... nice to see that he seems to be making an effort, but the fact remains he still tried to get away with this and look at the efforts it took to get him to pay anything back at all. he will do this again, he most likely will find a softer mark and take them down.

if your best freind stole money from you, but EVENTUALLY paid it back, would he now not be a theif? hes still a douchebag imo, and hopefully anyone who he tries to try and swindle again will find this thread and head the other way.
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08-14-2009 , 03:56 PM
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Brett Mrwolski or whatever his name is pure scum based on what I've seen on this thread. I woudn't expect to see the rest of the 3k.
lol

people were also saying we won't see a single dime from him before he paid anything. I take it that when he has paid back half, you will be saying that we shouldn't even dream of seeing the other half
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08-15-2009 , 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Vantek
lol

people were also saying we won't see a single dime from him before he paid anything. I take it that when he has paid back half, you will be saying that we shouldn't even dream of seeing the other half
If he agrees to a payment plan and sticks to it then maybe he can start to rebuild his reputation (though obv this stigma will stick with him for the rest of his 2p2 career). As far as I can tell this kid is a total sociopath and at the very least he should get a custom undertitle saying "KNOWN SCAMMER" whether or not he pays back every cent he stole.

All I'll say is that if he's paid back something he's at least taking a step in the right direction (haven't kept up with the thread but that's what I've gathered from reading the last page or so)... but if he thinks he's somehow vindicated himself by paying back 10% of what he owes he's even more delusional than I gave him credit for.

It's a shame really... he really isn't a bad poker player and could've been a real asset to these forums.
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08-15-2009 , 04:03 AM
Dear Pokerbot_v7/NoahSD and the 2p2 community:

I am paying back the money I stole from Pokerbot_v7 and NoahSD but I wanted to begin by formally apologizing in this thread.

I've been punished in many ways already for my actions without mentioning the original money I stole.

When I was in Las Vegas my $2,000.00 camcorder was stolen by a housemate that reads 2p2. (His FTP screen name is xxx.) We were in a PUA (Pick up Artist) house for a month. The link is here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/10...-house-427164/

I was in Las Vegas in July and donked off all my money (that I stole) 3 weeks into my trip, so for the last week I only had about $50 to my name. 7thChakra and I were out with his friend Chris and xxx at the Golden Nugget. 7thChakra had been getting very drunk and went off on his own, leaving me and the other 2 guys wondering where he was.

After several text messages and phone calls we finally got him to respond and we found him talking to these 3 black guys trying to fight them. One of the guys said he had trained with Floyd and 7thChakra immediately laughed at this statement.

Now 7thChakra has trained Muay Thai in Thailand and Brazilian Jiu-jitsu in the States so he believes he is a certified badass and he has a very strong "frame", (a PUA term where someone dominates a conversation with words and body language).

xxx approaches me and asks me what 7thChakra is doing. I tell him he is trying to fight these guys and that we need to get his drunk ass out of here. Upon hearing this, xxx and Chris say they are leaving and I tell them to wait and not just leave 7thChakra here by himself but they insist and get a cab back to the house. I stay with 7thChakra to make sure he is OK and not in trouble and we walk around for a few hours while these guys try to sell us coke. After 7thChakra somewhat sobers up we get a taxi and tell the driver to take us home.

During the drive, 7thChakra and I start talking about getting some escorts because Chris had gotten some cards that gave the purchaser a discount on certain escorts. The Taxi driver chimes in and gives us a book of escorts that he personally knows are legit. We take down some of the numbers and thank him for the
information.

We get back to the house and neither 7thChakra nor I want to go to bed. So we do something we probably shouldn't do and start calling these escorts without the intention of paying them. We simply want them to show up and talk to them and possibly work out a price, but that is not the objective. So about 4-5 pairs of escorts show up at the house and we talk in circles for probably close to an hour. 7thChakra is leading the conversation but I am definitely taking part in it as well. Once the girls realize we are not going to be paying for their services they demand money for gas and for their "time." 7thChakra replies with some excuse and the escorts start getting very mad. They are getting calls from their agency and are telling them the situation.

Now I don't know if escort agencies and the mob are affiliated with each other but suffice to say that it is not a good idea to piss off escorts that work for big companies. The taxi driver angrily calls us and complains about us making him look bad because he was the one that referred us to them. A few threats were thrown around and the other roommates (Christian, Chris and xxx) leave the house out of fear that bodily harm could be done to them.

7thChakra and I sleep in the house that night and wake up the next day only to find that the 3 roommates have not returned yet. We talk and figure that the safest option would be to leave the house and get a hotel for the remainder of the trip (about a week left).

I had paid $5000.00 to get "training" from 7thChakra and Christian and also for lodging so I figure the hotel stay would be compensated for and the fact that I only had $50 to my name would be nothing to worry about. I load all my luggage into the car and we head off to the Imperial Palace. Now, xxx has already booked a room at the Palace by himself and informs the other roommates that he does not want me to know what his room number is for fear of me "stealing his money." I am unable to pay for a room by myself so I ask 7thChakra and Chris if I could stay with them/ They say it is no problem.

The room Chris and 7thChakra are staying in is not ready for another few hours so they decide to go hang out in xxx' room ... of course they tell me I cannot come because xxx does not want a scammer around his belongings. I ask them if they can take my luggage up and just leave it there until the other room opens up and they say OK.

About 35 minutes passes by and Chris and 7thChakra come back down with my luggage and tell me that xxxx will not let me put my belongings in his room. My suitcase was zipped up so I just assumed all of my items were in there because I had no reason to believe anyone would steal from me.

I am pretty discouraged at this point. I have all my **** with me and I am hanging in the Imperial Palace Casino which is the worst casino on the strip. 7thChakra and Chris reassure me to go wait outside their room at number 702 and that they will be up shortly. I park myself outside the door of 702 and wait ... 30 minutes pass by and I am still waiting ... another 30 minutes pass by and I begin texting but I am getting no response.

The next plan of action was calling them, but still no response from either of them. Chris finally responds back to tell me he is at the Wynn.

I take a cab there and walk all around but there is still no sign of him. I eventually realize that I am being ditched and have no money to change my plane ticket and nowhere to sleep. I leave my items with a bellman and find the most secluded bathroom and fall asleep on the handicap bathroom floor.

I wake up and call my Dad to have him Moneygram me $500 so that I can change my plane ticket and leave that day. Thankfully he sent the money and I was able to fly back after waiting 12 hours on standby. I return home and open up my suitcase to find that my camcorder had been stolen.

Now I had a few adventures in Vegas and one of them included me making a sex tape with this one girl I met at Club Pure in Caesars Palace.

What does all of this have to do with me scamming Pokerbot? Well, I was out $5000 from the Vegas trip and I couldn't get any refund from the PUA guys. You see, I paid for the camp back in March when my pockets were a little fatter and now 5 grand was a big loss to me. Stupidly, at that time, I saw stealing as a way to get back on my feet. I am not saying that it is an excuse. I am just telling you the reasons behind why I did what I did.

So, I am going to be paying Pokerbot $300 a week for 10 weeks and Noah is going to be getting $800 after I finish with Pokerbot.

I don't really know what else to say but I'm really sorry everything turned out this way.

I am going to be moving home because I cannot afford living on my own anymore. Please stop harrassing my mom. She doesn't deserve the embarrassment and again I am very sorry for stealing money from people that trusted me. None of this was premeditated. It sort of just happened and I kept digging myself into a bigger and bigger hole.

I realize my reputation is ruined but I am going to be playing poker and frequenting Twoplustwo for a long time so admitting this mistake to the community, paying what I owe, and moving on is what I should have done in the first place.

Brett

Last edited by jalexand42; 10-22-2012 at 10:40 AM. Reason: removing name per request
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08-15-2009 , 04:11 AM
well that's interesting...

I would've much preferred you steal from a PUA. They are massive tools. I have no idea why anyone would get involved in such utter ******ation.
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08-15-2009 , 04:16 AM
good news
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08-15-2009 , 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by saymond
well that's interesting...

I would've much preferred you steal from a PUA. They are massive tools. I have no idea why anyone would get involved in such utter ******ation.
I agree dude. I paid 3k for a love systems camp in chi town and 5k for these kids to teach me and I haven't learned ****. One of them even had one arm, I mean i'm not hating on someone with one arm but I sincerely doubt he has more knowledge over women than I do.
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08-15-2009 , 04:22 AM
I almost feel like giving life lessons in overcoming the pitfalls of youth, but you're handling the situation correctly (finally), and you know you what you did wrong, so hopefully you won't put yourself into situations like this again.

You ****ed up pretty bad, you're paying for it now, you just need to learn from it. Life will get easier.
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08-15-2009 , 04:27 AM
lol...that makes you sound like a halfway decent kid, albeit one with horrible bankroll/liferoll management. im glad you are paying the money back, but what you did was very scummy
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08-15-2009 , 05:01 AM
yeah im drunk as *** but my message is legitttttttttttttttttttttttttt
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08-15-2009 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Speedlimits
Now I had a few adventures in Vegas and one of them included me making a sex tape with this one girl I met at Club Pure in Caesars Palace. If you read this I would very much like that camcorder back, please PM me.
Definitely glad you included this tangent.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 08-23-2009 at 06:54 PM.
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08-15-2009 , 05:14 AM
I don't get the point of your story Speedlimits???? You stole and once people found out you were a thief they didn't want to be around you anymore. Seems pretty logical to me.

Are you trying to get sympathy???? You are busted because you are a degen so you steal to make money. Not very sympathetic to me. You denied scamming forever and called your accusers liars and now you want to give some bull**** story that only proves how lame you are as a way for people to forgive you. You are a sad human being.

And your story about you camcorder makes zero sense. Who are we to believe...
(1) That this guy stole your camcorder: [link removed]

(2) A scammer who makes a habit of lying (you)

Seems pretty easy to me

I do agree that going after the mom was off-limits, but without that you would not be paying back.

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08-15-2009 , 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by saymond
I almost feel like giving life lessons in overcoming the pitfalls of youth, but you're handling the situation correctly (finally), and you know you what you did wrong, so hopefully you won't put yourself into situations like this again.

You ****ed up pretty bad, you're paying for it now, you just need to learn from it. Life will get easier.
Do you think he would have paid anyone back if pokerbot and others hadn't attacked him and gotten his family involved? If so, lets make a trade and you send first

The guy is scum and all his actions back it. This "new side" of him is nothing but a facade. Once a piece of ****, always a piece of ****.
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08-15-2009 , 05:28 AM
HAHAHAHAHA EPIC!!!

Could any of the mentioned parties confirm story please

Brett if you really want to set yourself straight I feel the even righter thing to do is to pay pokerbot as well as Noah 10-20% of extra for being such an ass to them. You should pay Noah $1100-$1200, not $800.

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And your story about you camcorder makes zero sense. Who are we to believe...
(1) That this guy stole your camcorder
It could make sense in that he "stole" it to force BM to pay.

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(2) A scammer who makes a habit of lying (you)
I don't see his percieved profit from the story. I don't see why he would lie about being a thief and scammer elsewhere also, especially something as random as trying to scam escorts. It looks like he actually has realised that he's cooked and is coming clean.

Pretty sick if he's still lying lol.

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The guy is scum and all his actions back it. This "new side" of him is nothing but a facade.
A facade is tons better than nothing. He will always be a scumbag, but will he be a scumbag that actually attempts to steal money from people, or will he be a scumbag that realises that he will get ****ed over if he actually tries to abuse people and so will supress his scumbag urges? There is a huge difference.

A lot of the people you'd easily consider halfway decent are deep inside no less scummy than Brett, but just realised that letting it show is -EV muuch earlier.

"I'm actually a scumbag but I realise that it is simply better for myself to treat other people with respect" - I'm perfectly willing to be polite towards that. In fact, I feel it's wrong to NOT be polite towards that, because it could turn scumbags that are willing to put up a facade into scumbags who are not.

Good job Brett I cheer your facade. Don't be dumb with money and don't steal again. It seems like you can make enough money without doing that.

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08-15-2009 , 05:53 AM
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What does all of this have to do with me scamming Pokerbot? Well, I was out $5000 from the Vegas trip and I couldn't get any refund from the PUA guys. You see, I paid for the camp back in March when my pockets were a little fatter and now 5 grand was a big loss to me. Stupidly, at that time, I saw stealing as a way to get back on my feet. I am not saying that it is an excuse. I am just telling you the reasons behind why I did what I did.
You weren't even broke then since you had just transferred him 2k money that he sent back. You saw an opportunity and took it. Your sob story does nothing to justify or mitigate what you did.
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08-15-2009 , 06:05 AM
^^^^^^ and lmao that a broke degen would still have a camcorder.
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08-15-2009 , 06:14 AM
[x] I'm glad BM had to sleep on a bathroom floor in a ****ty casino.
[x] BM owes some juice imo (mob rates)
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08-15-2009 , 06:54 AM
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I'm innocent
I'm curious, why did you choose to respond this way?
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08-15-2009 , 07:00 AM
Speedy.... Truly hope that you're not just ****ing with pokerbot again as that would just be insanely scummy. The sob story doesn't excuse anything, but you know that. Giving some background info on why you did what you did (assuming it's true) is fine, just realize that all that matters is that you repay the people you've wronged.

We all do stupid **** when we're young, and hopefully this will be something of a wake-up call for you. Just do the right thing and don't worry about the other bs.
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08-15-2009 , 07:11 AM
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and I sleep in the house that night and wake up the next day only to find that the 3 roommates have not returned yet. We talk and figure that the safest option would be to leave the house and get a hotel for the remainder of the trip (about a week left).
[...]
Is it just me or did that part remind anyone of Hangover?

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08-15-2009 , 07:13 AM
brett go too church and pray for sins you do,and than go in some charity program and help old or sick people and then your way will be free and you will be hapy man again.
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