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08-05-2009 , 11:15 AM
You do owe me ****? You admitted you owed me ****:



If you disagree with the amount, you could've told me that. Instead, you just never responded to my PM telling you how much you owed, and disappeared from AIM. Then you accuse me of trying to scam you.

Last edited by NoahSD; 08-05-2009 at 11:26 AM.
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08-05-2009 , 11:17 AM
^ owned.

Brett Mrozowski stole money
Brett Mrozowski is a scammer
Brett Mrozowski has sex with men
Brett Mrozowski stole monies
Brett Mrozowski scammed
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08-05-2009 , 11:18 AM
lol yeh pretty much completely owned. Nice work Noah
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08-05-2009 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by duh
Ever hear of Cornell Fiji?
what happened with him?
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08-05-2009 , 11:42 AM
Brett Mrozowski sucks donkeyballs
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08-05-2009 , 12:03 PM
OK.. I'm considering legal options. Pretty much clueless about this stuff, so I have some questions:

1) Can OP sell me his debt so that I can then sue Brett for it?
2) Does the fact that this involves internet poker complicate things? I'd like to think that it doesn't because the crime seems pretty simple in both cases, but I have no idea.
3) Does pursuing this criminally instead of civilly make sense? Any chance a prosecutor would take it or something so I wouldn't have to do as much? I have two motives here.. getting my money back and making sure that I don't get scammed again. (Again.. I'm clueless. Call me stupid if I'm being stupid.)

If you'd to answer these questions privately, obv PM me. Please include an e-mail address or an AIM screen name.
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08-05-2009 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by NoahSD
Again, a really important goal here is to avoid coming off to potential important contacts (like brett's mother) as internet pranksters.

If you spam a college's e-mail, you don't look like credible people trying to collect on their legitimate debt.
Yeah it will be like spamming her email and the college's email, you don't want that. What I meant was it would be better if a professional(police/some kind of authority or a lawyer) would phone as they would take it seriously instead of just some random guy asking about her/him.
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08-05-2009 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MyironThumb
Managed to get him to talk a bit today on ftp. Sounds like his is denying he owes you any money also Noah..




MyIronThumb: sup brett

CyberGurly: do i know u

[...]
thanks for talking to him. interesting responses on his end but definitely worth a try.
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08-05-2009 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by NoahSD
OK.. I'm considering legal options. Pretty much clueless about this stuff, so I have some questions:

1) Can OP sell me his debt so that I can then sue Brett for it?
2) Does the fact that this involves internet poker complicate things? I'd like to think that it doesn't because the crime seems pretty simple in both cases, but I have no idea.
3) Does pursuing this criminally instead of civilly make sense? Any chance a prosecutor would take it or something so I wouldn't have to do as much? I have two motives here.. getting my money back and making sure that I don't get scammed again. (Again.. I'm clueless. Call me stupid if I'm being stupid.)

If you'd to answer these questions privately, obv PM me. Please include an e-mail address or an AIM screen name.
1) not in small claims court. yes in regular court, although it would be a tremendous waste of time.

2) no. it's theft, not poker

3) i don't think there are feasible criminal options here. just civil.
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08-05-2009 , 04:52 PM
OP should really serve him the papers for a small claims court suit. Nothing to lose ($250 or so) and he might get scared and pay up. If not, just be at the court on the court date. More than likely Brett won't show up and you'll get a default judgment against him. If he does show up, you'll win immediately based on the evidence and you'll get a judgment against him.

Only problem is you have to go to Wisconsin or wherever Brett is. Time to plan a vacation I think.
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08-05-2009 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by manupod
OP should really serve him the papers for a small claims court suit. Nothing to lose ($250 or so) and he might get scared and pay up. If not, just be at the court on the court date. More than likely Brett won't show up and you'll get a default judgment against him. If he does show up, you'll win immediately based on the evidence and you'll get a judgment against him.

Only problem is you have to go to Wisconsin or wherever Brett is. Time to plan a vacation I think.
Take him to court OP. Do your homework. If there is jail time involved for Brett I am willing to donate for your court/hotel/travel expenses, even a few bucks from everyone will cover the fees. I understand you're in Europe.
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08-05-2009 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by StriverzG
Take him to court OP. Do your homework. If there is jail time involved for Brett I am willing to donate for your court/hotel/travel expenses, even a few bucks from everyone will cover the fees. I understand you're in Europe.
Do you want OP to take him to court, or do you want Brett to go to jail?
The two are not related.
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08-05-2009 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by manupod
2) no. it's theft, not poker
Sorry, but it's not theft. He scammed for the money, sure. But in OP's case, money voluntarily changed hands on a verbal agreement, which he then ****ed you on. Tough ****, but that's not theft because you gave him the money on your own free will. Sure, you thought you'd see it again, but ****ing someone on a verbal agreement doesn't constitute a crime. Want to sue him/see him go to jail? Should've put it in a contract.
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08-06-2009 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TalkingDonkey
Sorry, but it's not theft. He scammed for the money, sure. But in OP's case, money voluntarily changed hands on a verbal agreement, which he then ****ed you on. Tough ****, but that's not theft because you gave him the money on your own free will. Sure, you thought you'd see it again, but ****ing someone on a verbal agreement doesn't constitute a crime. Want to sue him/see him go to jail? Should've put it in a contract.
You go into a store to buy an item, and say to the clerk "I'd like to buy this item for $X", to which he responds "OK, I will sell you that item for $X". You hand him $X, and he doesn't give you anything in return. Isn't he stealing from you? I'm thinking yes.
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08-06-2009 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TalkingDonkey
Sorry, but it's not theft. He scammed for the money, sure. But in OP's case, money voluntarily changed hands on a verbal agreement, which he then ****ed you on. Tough ****, but that's not theft because you gave him the money on your own free will. Sure, you thought you'd see it again, but ****ing someone on a verbal agreement doesn't constitute a crime. Want to sue him/see him go to jail? Should've put it in a contract.
A verbal contract is a contract... Besides, there is evidence that an agreement was reached and a contract was formed online. PB performed fully his part of the agreement, and SL did not. It's clearly a breach of contract.
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08-06-2009 , 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Gospy
A verbal contract is a contract... Besides, there is evidence that an agreement was reached and a contract was formed online. PB performed fully his part of the agreement, and SL did not. It's clearly a breach of contract.
Yes, but you can't go to jail for breach of contract. It is a civil matter.
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08-06-2009 , 02:35 AM
Send for the Judge!!!

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08-06-2009 , 02:38 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^THIS.
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08-06-2009 , 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by footscrayzy
Send for the Judge!!!

OMFG LOL!


Well ****ing done.
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08-06-2009 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by footscrayzy
Send for the Judge!!!

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08-06-2009 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by manupod
1) not in small claims court. yes in regular court, although it would be a tremendous waste of time.

2) no. it's theft, not poker

3) i don't think there are feasible criminal options here. just civil.
Thanks for the response. Why is regular court a tremendous waste of time?
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08-06-2009 , 12:53 PM
Pokerbot:

I hope that you have made that $3k back by now at the tables.

saying that this will not be over until he pays you, sounds delusional to me.

there are alot of immature little boys itt.

you got ganked... period... unless you are going to his door step and whoop his azz, there is nothing you can do about it. you and these little boys can talk about it.. whine about it, cry about it, post about it, put shiat on his mom's page, harrass his family, facebook all his friends but, unless you are able/willing to handle it like a man, you and your supporters are coming across as little biatches.

where i come from, there is only so much talking that someone can do even if they were the wronged until they start to come off as whiney biatches. that point has passed. either handle your business like a man or stfu... please.
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08-06-2009 , 12:57 PM
1 more thing:

If it was me, I would go to where he lives and knock his azz out.(at least i would feel alot better.) If I am unable or unwilling to do that, I would stfu, move on and chalk it up to a learning experience and make sure it never happens again.

and if I ever saw him in real life i would knock him out on sight.
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08-06-2009 , 01:07 PM
wow your hard hollywood
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08-06-2009 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by h2005
wow your hard hollywood
its true.. if someone stole $3k from me..what am i going to do ??? either forget about it, waste more $ taking it through the legal channels, shoot him or try and beat him up.

what other options are there ??

i sure would not be expecting to be repaid by someone who stole from me without sticking a gun in their face.
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