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07-17-2009 , 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by swd805
can someone please provide cliffs?
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Originally Posted by CastleBravo79
Speedlimits / Brett Mrozowski allegedly scammed pokerbot_v7 for $3k. Speedlimits then said in the forums that he had paid the money. Speed then provided screenshots that look fake to bbv. Speed hasn't come back to the thread since to explain the errors in the images, and has been proven by the bbv jury to be guilty of scammin. Speed has still not paid back pokerbot. BBV pwnt Speed pretty hard by amending Brett's Mother's wiki page, and we have moved on to mspaintaments.


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07-17-2009 , 05:29 AM
Oh yeah, teddyFBI needs some more love for posting that picture of Ms. Rhode Island from that hilarious Seinfeld episode.

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07-17-2009 , 07:47 AM
XD this is hilarious
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07-17-2009 , 08:00 AM
pokerbot this ever get solved yet? sorry, haven't checked the thread in awhile
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07-17-2009 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Gregvenezia
pokerbot this ever get solved yet? sorry, haven't checked the thread in awhile
nope, he still owes me the 3k.
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07-17-2009 , 02:12 PM
The info on wikipedia got edited off, the talk page is funny though:

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This section is the ONLY section that has cited sources. It's absurd to remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fubster (talk • contribs) 08:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree with the above.

Also there were some edits people didnt catch ( I dont have a wiki account this is all publically available via the discussion/edit buttons on that page ).
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Bretts mom recently spoke out against a homophobic statement made by a Miss America title winner by saying “If it were not for gay men, the pageant probably would not exist. That is how strong that component is." It is also believed that her son, Brett Mrozowski, is a practicing homosexual.
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n June 2009, xxxxx's mentally handicapped son, 23 year old Brett Mrozowski, robbed a fellow professional [[poker]] player of $3000, during a person-to-person transfer between [[online poker]] sites. It is believed the money was used to purchase training sessions from flamboyantly dressed pick up artists
LOL @ whoever did that.



Also the IP he himself posted has made 4 edits this month with similar IPs making like 10-15 edits.
( Which means he has time to edit Wikipedia but not post his evidence here )

Last edited by dlorc; 07-17-2009 at 02:19 PM.
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07-17-2009 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dlorc
Also the IP he himself posted has made 4 edits this month with similar IPs making like 10-15 edits.
( Which means he has time to edit Wikipedia but not post his evidence here )
haha, great!

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07-17-2009 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rootnstein
This dispute would not be enforceable in a U.S. court - small claims or otherwise (and yes you can be represented in small claims court). As a stretch - maybe a breach of contract/fraud action but that would be all and I'm about certain there's no jurisdiction in an American court no matter how you plead this dispute. Also, there is no possibility of a criminal action, not even remotely based on the facts of this circumstance.

Unfortunately, bot's probably going about trying to recover the only way it could possibly get done.
Not trying to flame, but a lot what's written here doesn't make much sense.

Obv, any civil claim pokerbot brought would sound in contract (what else could it be, really?), and to call this a legally enforceable agreement isn't a stretch at all. If you're talking about the strength of the evidence, etc., there might be an issue. But assuming that pokerbot can show that a bargain was made, he held his end up while speedlimits didn't, that's really all you need. So I don't understand why the claim isn't solid in theory.

Also, while I'm not an expert in jurisdiction, I don't really see anything stopping pokerbot here. As long as he sues in a state that can exercise personal jurisdiction over speedlimits, he should be fine. I'm not aware of anything preventing a court from hearing a civil case where both parties are US citizens (I assume they are, and really only speedlimits has to be), even if performance of the contract occurred over the internet (even where the money transfer occurred on websites owned by non-US companies). If pokerbot sues in a court of general jurisdiction (i.e. most state courts), all he needs is for the court to have personal jurisdiction over speedlimits (most likely his state of residence). A US state court might not have jurisdiction to order the money transfer over the internet, but they can order speedlimits to pay $3k in damages.

Finally, I agree that the likelihood of a prosecutor going after speedlimits is low, but again, the theory is legally sound: This was a deceitful taking of property.

cliffs:
-pokerbot can sue, but it might be tough for him to win

-pokerbot can file a police complaint or interenet fraud complaint, but it might not amount to much

-disputes are neither enforced or plead. Contracts are enforced. Facts are plead.



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07-17-2009 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CastleBravo79
Speedlimits / Brett Mrozowski allegedly scammed pokerbot_v7 for $3k. Speedlimits then said in the forums that he had paid the money. Speed then provided screenshots that look fake to bbv. Speed hasn't come back to the thread since to explain the errors in the images, and has been proven by the bbv jury to be guilty of scammin. Speed has still not paid back pokerbot. BBV pwnt Speed pretty hard by amending Brett's Mother's wiki page, and moved on to mspaintaments but gave up on that pretty quickly afterwards. Wholesale family character assassination continues. The entire Mrozowski family offically loses the interwebs.
Updated cliffs.
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07-18-2009 , 04:25 AM
Scammer.

Hope u'll burn in hell, Brett, for eternity.
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07-18-2009 , 05:43 AM
Bretts mom recently spoke out against a homophobic statement made by a Miss America title winner by saying “If it were not for gay men, the pageant probably would not exist. That is how strong that component is." It is also believed that her son, Brett Mrozowski, is a practicing homosexual.


n June 2009, xxxxx's mentally handicapped son, 23 year old Brett Mrozowski, robbed a fellow professional [[poker]] player of $3000, during a person-to-person transfer between [[online poker]] sites. It is believed the money was used to purchase training sessions from flamboyantly dressed pick up artists

lol this is so funny. good job for destroying this guy the dickface deserved it
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07-18-2009 , 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by mhalberstram
Not trying to flame, but a lot what's written here doesn't make much sense.

Obv, any civil claim pokerbot brought would sound in contract (what else could it be, really?), and to call this a legally enforceable agreement isn't a stretch at all. If you're talking about the strength of the evidence, etc., there might be an issue. But assuming that pokerbot can show that a bargain was made, he held his end up while speedlimits didn't, that's really all you need. So I don't understand why the claim isn't solid in theory.

Also, while I'm not an expert in jurisdiction, I don't really see anything stopping pokerbot here. As long as he sues in a state that can exercise personal jurisdiction over speedlimits, he should be fine. I'm not aware of anything preventing a court from hearing a civil case where both parties are US citizens (I assume they are, and really only speedlimits has to be), even if performance of the contract occurred over the internet (even where the money transfer occurred on websites owned by non-US companies). If pokerbot sues in a court of general jurisdiction (i.e. most state courts), all he needs is for the court to have personal jurisdiction over speedlimits (most likely his state of residence). A US state court might not have jurisdiction to order the money transfer over the internet, but they can order speedlimits to pay $3k in damages.

Finally, I agree that the likelihood of a prosecutor going after speedlimits is low, but again, the theory is legally sound: This was a deceitful taking of property.

cliffs:
-pokerbot can sue, but it might be tough for him to win

-pokerbot can file a police complaint or interenet fraud complaint, but it might not amount to much

-disputes are neither enforced or plead. Contracts are enforced. Facts are plead.



in before tl;dr
good god, who do you think you are? The 2+2 pseudo poser lawyer? Jeez ppl who are [everyone] don't wana read THAT
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07-18-2009 , 06:55 AM
Any reason for deleting that Brett Mrozowski is a bad man?

Because there's no disputing that Brett Mrozowski is a bad man.
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07-19-2009 , 08:18 AM
bump
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07-19-2009 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by deathduck
good god, who do you think you are? The 2+2 pseudo poser lawyer? Jeez ppl who are [everyone] don't wana read THAT
What he said is right though.

When you are suing someone, for the court to have personal jurisdiction, you can sue someone in the state in which they reside or the state in which the offense occurred/object in question is located etc. So, the state in which Speedlimits lives' court would definitely have personal jurisdiction over this case.

He just has to show that a contract exists and that SL breached it.

I'm not a lawyer though, this is just what I've learned from reading, so I'm not saying I'm right for sure, I know it's very complicated.
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07-19-2009 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jeccross
From testimonials page on dailyvariance.com (who sell the tri/CTS ebook):

""Just read half the book. There is so much good information in here it is going to take me months to apply it all.

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.

Cole is a genius" -- Speedlimits (2+2) "
is this the book that costs 1k?
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07-19-2009 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Gospy
What he said is right though.

When you are suing someone, for the court to have personal jurisdiction, you can sue someone in the state in which they reside or the state in which the offense occurred/object in question is located etc. So, the state in which Speedlimits lives' court would definitely have personal jurisdiction over this case.

He just has to show that a contract exists and that SL breached it.

I'm not a lawyer though, this is just what I've learned from reading, so I'm not saying I'm right for sure, I know it's very complicated.
I actually think mhalberstram is a lawyer (as am I) and from other posts I've read of his, it seems he is a very knowledgeable one. My comment was made mostly from the standpoint of practicality, not a comprehensive analysis of the possible applicable law in this situation. My understanding is that bot is in Germany and Brett is in the States.

Bottom line, from practicing law for a number of years in the U.S. I've learned (sometimes the hard way) - being able to plead the facts of your dispute creatively or however does not equate to having any chance to recover (or even make it to a judge or jury for that matter) and good luck on getting any arm of U.S. law enforcement to do anything about your "I'm a foreigner who got scammed by a U.S. citizen out of $$ on an internet poker site based on a rock somewhere" complaint.

Anyway, I continue to wish bot GL with his quest and I wish there was a better or easier way for him redress this situation within our legal system.
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07-19-2009 , 01:17 PM
oh brett where art thou
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07-19-2009 , 02:52 PM
Brett Mrozowski

Where does this cockroach live? Kid needs to be stepped on.
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07-19-2009 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gustavv
Scammer.

Hope u'll burn in hell, Brett Mrozowski, for eternity.
FYP, it was lacking Brett Mrozowski.
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07-19-2009 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ItsRainingMen
is this the book that costs 1k?
950$ right now but they charged 1750$ or something like that some month ago.

So he paid ~1k for a pokerbook and had at least 2 famous coaches but still needs to scam people because he can't win enough money at poker. Pathetic.
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07-19-2009 , 06:47 PM
I don't understand why he doesn't private message you and send you the money plus interest and put it behind him??


Surely he knows thats the only way to save any hope of a poker future..seems so obvious to me..
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07-19-2009 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bulljive
I don't understand why he doesn't private message you and send you the money plus interest and put it behind him??


Surely he knows thats the only way to save any hope of a poker future..seems so obvious to me..
It is about his private and professional future as well with that thread being the number one hit when you search for his name.

He probably hopes everything will be forgotten in a couple weeks but i doubt it since this thread gets bumped all the time even though there are no real updates. (please keep it that way.)

Last edited by pokerbot_v7; 07-19-2009 at 07:10 PM.
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07-19-2009 , 07:03 PM
I bet he is busto...any updates on the sites he has been playing and what levels?

Last edited by Bulljive; 07-19-2009 at 07:05 PM. Reason: Im secretly Brett Mrozowski
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07-19-2009 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bulljive
I bet he is busto...any updates on the sites he has been playing and what levels?
He hasn't played nl cashgame on any of this three accounts after i posted the OP:

CyberGurly on FTP
SPEEEDLIMITS on AP
n0choice on Stars

He probably uses new accounts. Anyone playing .5/1 or 1/2 on FTP or AP and recognized a new 6max reg playing like him?
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