pokerbot, you're actions, reactions and outing of speedlimits I believe is warranted. It has educated me some and I appreciate it.

I'm not a fan of you going after family tho, if even indirectly. I think you may realize this once a bit more removed from the situation. Be it time or circumstance. Money is that, just money. And I hope you get what is yours. Just not at the expense of innocent others. Maybe if not now, in time, you'll see why that is.

wp putting his real name in the title, wp!

If Pokerbot starts trying to ruin the reputation of his parents or any other family member to get his money back or for revenge then he just went from being right to becoming a POS like the scammer.

+100%. Even though I don't you Pokerbot, you do seem to be a pretty decent guy. Don't step down to his level. The parents obv. have nothing to do with this and should be left alone. Do the right thing man.

i wouldnt bring his parents into it.

if 3k is so much to you that you now feel the need to do things like that...then its too much to be transferring in the first place.

do everything to wreck speeed, but i wouldnt go any further than that.

also, speeeed is a huge dbag. i remember how much he would talk **** in chat (as well as on here) when he was running good. i wouldnt have trusted him with $100

If I got scammed for 3k and I knew who the guy was and where he lived, after all the paths that have been exhausted (that have been used so far) there is really a far more direct way of getting your money back

People like this should not be shown mercy

I also agree with not involving the parents.

it has nothing to do with his parents he`s a grown man why should they pay it and why should their reputation be tarnished?

I'm gonna also jump on the 'leave-his-parents-out-of-this' bandwagon, but It's pretty clear that Pokerbot doesn't have alot of weapons in his, getting-his-money-back arsenal, and he's resorting to whatever he can think of. The only thing I can think to do is sell his debt to a notorious russian poker mob-man for half the amount, and then watch speeds scurry around in a 3 day all-nighter attempt to find and beat local home games in an attempt to raise the funds, where hilarity obviously ensues.

ive always wanted this to happen so badly to a 2p2 scammer.

Why not make use of all your democratic rights OP? Drag his sorry ass to court, get your money and more to that maybe? And he can be charged to pay the costs on the case? Don't know how that works whereever you guys are from.

Other than that I think involving his parents is a fine idea. Their rep is not at all harmed by this case in any way imo. But if I had scammed someone and my mommy found out she'd be pissed and make me pay. If anyone could it'd be her!

I'm up for telling the parents, workmates, and any other personal relations that pokerbot knows of. They are in no way responsible for the debt though, and should simply be told to inform and damage speedlimits reputation, not as any avenue for directly recovering the money.

Please have to realise there are real life consequences for actions, even if they take place on the internet. Loosing reputation is one of them.

yeah, don't out the parents. talking to them privately and politely like you did is fine and A+ for that. but you really have no standing to take it any further than that with the parents.

definitely trash the hell out of his name on a website though.

side note, but i always thought speedlimits was a douche and i wouldn't have trusted him with a dime despite his 2p2 rep. hes also bad at poker

http://www.google.com/search?q=Brett+Mrozowski

win

When your last name is that unique, his parents are involved in this wether he brings them in directly or not. Just typing in his last name "mrozowski" into Google and this thread is on the 7th page, and moving up quickly.

People saying to leave his parents out of this are being naive, they would be aware of it soon regardless. Pokerbots direct involvement with them just gets them involved faster. I dont blame him for emailing them in a non threatening way.

I'd like to do it that way but i live in germany and i don't think that'd work out. German and american police working together because one online poker player scammed another one? Don't think so.. and online poker is illegal in germany.

Admo plays the ME and we will get the homepage done in 2 or 3 days. I'll use that time to think about the content.

For starters, I don't think gambling related debts stand up in court, and secondly, there is no real proof that there was pre arranged agreement to trade funds. Pokerbot may have just given him 3k for numerous reasons, such as he owed it to him in the first place and so forth. Just because PB can prove he gave Speeds 3k, doesn't really mean much in court. Imo.

Uh well I'm dumb for thinking you lived in the States, makes the whole legal avenue an even bigger pain in the ass then.

Run an ad the Kenosha, WI local paper with his picture.

Wanted: For Scamming $3000. Then link the thread.

That would be hilarious.

If pokerbot says Brett Mrozowski son of XXXX and XXXXX on a website he is presenting facts and just clarifying which Brett Mrozowski it is. It probably wouldn't have an effect on either parents job to be honest but if someone googles the parents name and sees that their son scammed someone for 3K and then decided to fire them over that that seems strange.
This is the only leverage that pokerbot has left. Brett has proven that he doesn't care about his name here so anything in this thread is pretty meaningless except for the consequences of his name being tarnished all over google. Although the possibility that his parents life will be negatively effected from this website is probably pretty slim it is still another consequence that Brett has to think about that might get him to give back the money.
And to the person saying "think of what Brett's going through right now" screw that. He has had multiple chances to come out and give explanations of why he did it and man up and say "I'll pay you back in a week cause I lost the money" or "I lied and I can't pay back but I will eventually." This seems ridiculous that people think Brett shouldn't be let off. Though I don't think anything about his parents further than their name should be mentioned on any website.

Asumming Speedlimits is busto before this starts, instead of scamming, he can ask for a stake or loan and make much more than 3k from it.

Or he can trade funds in the future and make money that he wouldnt have if he couldn't trade

Since this is BBV I'll say that because of my 2+2/poker rep I was able to do a last minute trade with someone I had never met or spoken to, and only knew through a mutual friend, to get into a few donkaments on Cereus and I ran good and won 20k on there. If Im some random or worse a known scammer I cant make that trade.

It's hard to say for sure but 3k is very low for how much its worth. I would even argue that it's priceless, as gay as that sounds. My guess is that he was too proud to ask for a stake since he seemed to love bragging about his winrate so much.

Speedlimits is a low life, i know of someone who was offered training if they signed up for certian sites rakeback under his attached site. He NEVER recieved the training and speedlimits avioded and didnt return any pm's or emails. This little scammer is obviously not to bright and probley never thought this would blow up so big.

am i missing something? i am pretty sure he is no broke. his tableratings looks fine.

he hasn't been logged into his 2p2 account for quite a while. imo there is a decent chance he is on his way to the ME right now.

Looks like you can send him a facebook message

Oh wow, wtf is everyone on about. This is ridiculous.

The only reason for EVER mentioning Speedlimits' parents in this thread was because it was expected that THE SCAMMER will be EMBARRASSED out of his mind when his parents hear about it. Same for scammer's friends or siblings and so on. Jesus christ. What the hell are you people thinking?

Who ever talked about trying to ruin his parents' career? I guess outing like everyone's email could be considered a little douchy but really come on, that is not a big deal, everyone is going to get an email that their son/brother/friend is a scammer, BOO HOO. My life would be ruined if I got an email saying that my brother is a scammer. Really now.

Didn't someone say he was from Kenosha? Take out a half page add in the daily or weekly newspaper. That should embarrass him enough for payback. People in the upper midwest still read the daily and weekly rags.