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Old 06-22-2008, 09:59 AM   #1
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BEAT: Pokerstars support lost their sense of humor?

Well, if somebody doesnt mind searching the archives (like 12-15month ago) and look for "AjaxAchill"...
you will find a funny thread with "Bongbob" and "AjaxAchill" minreraising at 1cent-2cent...

Nothing special, we were just goofing around...ok, about one year later (yesterday) i felt like gazillion making bigmac flips with another friend.
Today i got an email from pokerstars:
Anyway, i answered them already (telling them i used to play midstakes cash on stars and other euro sites), and well, if they send it to the right person i am sure everything will be fine again^^

I MEAN PSTARS WTF IS THIS A SICK 7th level, why is my acc suspended....loooool


Hello xxxxxxxx,
Based on a routine review of your account which indicated unusual play
patterns, we have started a more in depth review of your account and
play. At this point we must ask that you provide us with some
information that will help us to resolve this issue.

First, please review the hands attached below and explain your
strategy/thinking during the play of the hands.

Next, please explain in detail your relationship, if any, to the
player 'jäger54' and '19eraser87'.

Your account privileges have been suspended pending the outcome of our
review. Please respond fully and completely within 48 hours. Your
cooperation will help to bring the matter to a close promptly.

ok so wtf, does every fish have to explain now why they call two potsize bets with a 4 high gutshot?! does the support wanna teach me poker?


***** Raising All in with 73 off? *****

PokerStars Game #18290178835: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/06/21 -
17:25:45 (ET)
Table 'Hamiltonia' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: Dr.Biernot ($1.11 in chips)
Seat 3: jäger54 ($5 in chips)
Seat 4: AjaxAchill ($8.40 in chips)
Seat 5: Flintstone21 ($2 in chips)
Dr.Biernot: posts small blind $0.01
jäger54: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to AjaxAchill [3h 7d]

17:25:48 AjaxAchill: raises $0.02 to $0.04
17:25:50 Flintstone21: calls $0.04
17:25:59 Dr.Biernot: folds
17:26:02 jäger54: raises $4.96 to $5 and is all-in
17:26:04 AjaxAchill: raises $3.40 to $8.40 and is all-in
17:26:08 Flintstone21: folds
17:26:08 Moving Bets to Pot
17:26:08 Uncalled bet ($3.40) returned to AjaxAchill
17:26:09 *** FLOP *** [6c Kc Kd]
17:26:13 *** TURN *** [6c Kc Kd] [Js]
17:26:15 *** RIVER *** [6c Kc Kd Js] [5h]
17:26:17 *** SHOW DOWN ***
jäger54: shows [As 7h] (a pair of Kings)
17:26:17 AjaxAchill: mucks hand
17:26:18 jäger54 collected $9.55 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.05 | Rake $0.50
Board [6c Kc Kd Js 5h]
Seat 2: Dr.Biernot (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: jäger54 (big blind) showed [As 7h] and won ($9.55) with a pair of
Kings
Seat 4: AjaxAchill mucked [3h 7d]
Seat 5: Flintstone21 (button) folded before Flop

***** Min raising with Q4 off? *****

PokerStars Game #18290410851: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/06/21 -
17:38:55 (ET)
Table 'Pulcova II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: AKRobber ($3.93 in chips)
Seat 2: BorisHsArivd ($5.01 in chips)
Seat 3: jäger54 ($2.13 in chips)
Seat 4: AjaxAchill ($8.12 in chips)
Seat 6: staubfrei89 ($5 in chips) is sitting out
BorisHsArivd: posts small blind $0.01
jäger54: posts big blind $0.02
staubfrei89: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to AjaxAchill [Qc 4c]

17:38:57 AjaxAchill: raises $0.02 to $0.04
17:38:58 AKRobber: calls $0.04
17:38:58 BorisHsArivd: folds
17:39:00 jäger54: raises $0.02 to $0.06
17:39:01 AjaxAchill: raises $0.02 to $0.08
17:39:02 AKRobber: calls $0.04
17:39:03 jäger54: raises $0.02 to $0.10
17:39:04 AjaxAchill: raises $0.02 to $0.12
17:39:05 AKRobber: calls $0.04
17:39:06 jäger54: raises $0.02 to $0.14
17:39:07 AjaxAchill: raises $0.02 to $0.16
17:39:08 AKRobber: calls $0.04
17:39:10 jäger54: raises $0.02 to $0.18
17:39:10 AjaxAchill: raises $0.02 to $0.20
17:39:12 AKRobber: calls $0.04
17:39:13 jäger54: raises $0.02 to $0.22
17:39:14 AjaxAchill: raises $0.02 to $0.24
17:39:15 AKRobber: calls $0.04
17:39:16 jäger54: raises $0.02 to $0.26
17:39:17 AjaxAchill: raises $0.02 to $0.28
17:39:18 Flintstone21 joins the table at seat #5
17:39:18 AKRobber: raises $3.65 to $3.93 and is all-in
17:39:19 jäger54: calls $1.87 and is all-in
17:39:21 AjaxAchill: calls $3.65
17:39:21 Moving Bets to Pot
17:39:22 *** FLOP *** [Jh Tc Ad]
17:39:26 *** TURN *** [Jh Tc Ad] [8d]
17:39:28 *** RIVER *** [Jh Tc Ad 8d] [Qh]
17:39:30 *** SHOW DOWN ***
AjaxAchill: shows [Qc 4c] (a pair of Queens)
17:39:30 AKRobber: mucks hand
17:39:31 AjaxAchill collected $3.40 from side pot
17:39:33 AKRobber leaves the table
17:39:33 jäger54: mucks hand
17:39:33 jäger54 rebuys $5
17:39:35 AjaxAchill collected $6.10 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10 Main pot $6.10. Side pot $3.40. | Rake $0.50
Board [Jh Tc Ad 8d Qh]
Seat 1: AKRobber (button) mucked [4d 4h]
Seat 2: BorisHsArivd (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: jäger54 (big blind) mucked [5d 2s]
Seat 4: AjaxAchill showed [Qc 4c] and won ($9.50) with a pair of Queens

***** All in with 62 off? *****

PokerStars Game #18290423062: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/06/21 -
17:39:36 (ET)
Table 'Pulcova II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: BorisHsArivd ($5 in chips)
Seat 3: jäger54 ($5 in chips)
Seat 4: AjaxAchill ($13.69 in chips)
Seat 5: Flintstone21 ($2 in chips)
Seat 6: staubfrei89 ($5 in chips)
jäger54: posts small blind $0.01
AjaxAchill: posts big blind $0.02
Flintstone21: posts big blind $0.02
staubfrei89: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to AjaxAchill [6c 2s]

17:39:39 Flintstone21: checks
17:39:42 staubfrei89: raises $0.62 to $0.64
17:39:42 BorisHsArivd: folds
17:39:45 jäger54: raises $4.36 to $5 and is all-in
17:39:54 John Lahann joins the table at seat #1
17:39:55 Player AjaxAchill has requested TIME
17:40:01 AjaxAchill: raises $4.36 to $9.36
17:40:03 Flintstone21: folds
17:40:03 staubfrei89: calls $4.36 and is all-in
17:40:03 Moving Bets to Pot
17:40:03 Uncalled bet ($4.36) returned to AjaxAchill
17:40:04 *** FLOP *** [8c Jc 3s]
17:40:08 *** TURN *** [8c Jc 3s] [9c]
17:40:10 *** RIVER *** [8c Jc 3s 9c] [As]
17:40:12 *** SHOW DOWN ***
jäger54: shows [Ac Qc] (a flush, Ace high)
17:40:12 AjaxAchill: mucks hand
17:40:13 staubfrei89: mucks hand
17:40:14 jäger54 collected $14.27 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $15.02 | Rake $0.75
Board [8c Jc 3s 9c As]
Seat 2: BorisHsArivd (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jäger54 (small blind) showed [Ac Qc] and won ($14.27) with a flush,
Ace high
Seat 4: AjaxAchill (big blind) mucked [6c 2s]
Seat 5: Flintstone21 folded before Flop
Seat 6: staubfrei89 mucked [Kh Kd]


Regards,

Richard
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Old 06-22-2008, 10:01 AM   #2
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Re: BEAT: Pokerstars support lost their sense of humor?

brag imo
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Old 06-22-2008, 10:05 AM   #3
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Re: BEAT: Pokerstars support lost their sense of humor?

tell stars it' not the 1970s anymore and that those hands are 100% standard in today's tough .01/.02 games
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Old 06-22-2008, 10:07 AM   #4
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Re: BEAT: Pokerstars support lost their sense of humor?

I bet if you respond with "pot odds" or "I didn't think he had it" on every single hand your account would be instantly unsuspended.
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Old 06-22-2008, 10:11 AM   #5
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Re: BEAT: Pokerstars support lost their sense of humor?

explain meta game purposes at teh 2nl imo
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Old 06-22-2008, 10:11 AM   #6
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lol I would be more suspicious of someone who didnt play like that at a .01/.02 table
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Old 06-22-2008, 10:29 AM   #7
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Re: BEAT: Pokerstars support lost their sense of humor?

Hell, that looks like me after a 12 pack and a bottle of Jack.....
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Old 06-22-2008, 10:46 AM   #8
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lol I would be more suspicious of someone who didnt play like that at a .01/.02 table
this.
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Old 06-22-2008, 02:00 PM   #9
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Standard. I had a hand last night where I decided to play a little .05/.10 to see how it goes, I had KQh, raise it up $2, Kxx on the flop, raise $4, turn low, Raise $8, river 9, all in, villain had 999. Appalling. I can't even imagine how bad .01/.02 plays.

Tell them you were drunk.
Good Luck!
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Old 06-22-2008, 02:05 PM   #10
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Lol this is awesome.
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Old 06-22-2008, 02:27 PM   #11
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Re: BEAT: Pokerstars support lost their sense of humor?

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17:38:57 AjaxAchill: raises $0.02 to $0.04
17:38:58 AKRobber: calls $0.04
17:38:58 BorisHsArivd: folds
17:39:00 jäger54: raises $0.02 to $0.06
17:39:01 AjaxAchill: raises $0.02 to $0.08
17:39:02 AKRobber: calls $0.04
17:39:03 jäger54: raises $0.02 to $0.10
17:39:04 AjaxAchill: raises $0.02 to $0.12
17:39:05 AKRobber: calls $0.04
17:39:06 jäger54: raises $0.02 to $0.14
17:39:07 AjaxAchill: raises $0.02 to $0.16
17:39:08 AKRobber: calls $0.04
17:39:10 jäger54: raises $0.02 to $0.18
17:39:10 AjaxAchill: raises $0.02 to $0.20
17:39:12 AKRobber: calls $0.04
17:39:13 jäger54: raises $0.02 to $0.22
17:39:14 AjaxAchill: raises $0.02 to $0.24
17:39:15 AKRobber: calls $0.04
17:39:16 jäger54: raises $0.02 to $0.26
17:39:17 AjaxAchill: raises $0.02 to $0.28
17:39:18 Flintstone21 joins the table at seat #5
17:39:18 AKRobber: raises $3.65 to $3.93 and is all-in
17:39:19 jäger54: calls $1.87 and is all-in
17:39:21 AjaxAchill: calls $3.65
ROTFL this is awesome
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Old 06-22-2008, 02:32 PM   #12
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Re: BEAT: Pokerstars support lost their sense of humor?

you have to get lucky with someone from the stars support...some are a pain in the ass
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Old 06-22-2008, 02:33 PM   #13
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***** Min raising with Q4 off? *****
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Old 06-22-2008, 02:35 PM   #14
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way too funny
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Old 06-22-2008, 02:39 PM   #15
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Standard. I had a hand last night where I decided to play a little .05/.10 to see how it goes, I had KQh, raise it up $2, Kxx on the flop, raise $4, turn low, Raise $8, river 9, all in, villain had 999. Appalling. I can't even imagine how bad .01/.02 plays.

Tell them you were drunk.
Good Luck!
ur an idiot
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Old 06-22-2008, 02:42 PM   #16
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"I put him on AK" obv.
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Old 06-22-2008, 07:15 PM   #17
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Re: BEAT: Pokerstars support lost their sense of humor?

lol,

pretty astonished that i didnt get ANY response from them by now.
I mean, this is the most awesome customer support in the whole world, and they have been so helpful and good to me the last 2 years.
Really amazed whats going on...
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Old 06-22-2008, 07:20 PM   #18
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You should respond with a really thorough, high-level thinking explanation for all of your plays
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Old 06-22-2008, 07:27 PM   #19
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You should respond with a really thorough, high-level thinking explanation for all of your plays
I completely agree with this and the guy who was talking about nl2 meta game.

What do they think you're doing, colluding? wow they definitely do, and at nl2 to boot. I guess it looks kinda fishy, maybe it's good they do notice it but loooooooooool collusionments @ nl2
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:04 AM   #20
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6 digit BR frozen due to nl $0.02 flips.

sounds good.
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:10 AM   #21
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Re: BEAT: Pokerstars support lost their sense of humor?

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Next, please explain in detail your relationship, if any, to the
player 'jäger54' and '19eraser87'.
Respond that you enjoy a **** erotic love relationship with 'jäger54' and sometimes make a triangle with '19eraser87'.

Also ask them for advice in this matter. Ask if they think whether min12betting gives you more chance of getting laid than folding.

edit: lol, seriously, since when is ho-mo a dirty word? WTF is wrong with that; why would someone censor that? That's just really, really sad.
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:11 AM   #22
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Re: BEAT: Pokerstars support lost their sense of humor?

LOOOOOOOOLLLLLL This is INCREDIBLE! What the `****!

OMG I love it how the third guy who is calling the minraises finally has enough and raises allin himself XD
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:23 AM   #23
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ur an idiot
sweet, with endorsements from people like you, I can't help but go far
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:34 AM   #24
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Re: BEAT: Pokerstars support lost their sense of humor?

I've had a couple run ins with colluders on stars before. This is from a support email.


"The first thing we look for in such cases is a possible relationship
between the two players. In this case, they appear to know each other as
indicated by activity in their accounts. Poker is a social game and many
friends enjoy playing on our site and there is no rule against playing
with a friend as long as you play them hard and just as you would against
any other player.

Among the things we look for are playing "best hand" where the player with
the weaker hand drops out preflop or on the flop. While very hard to
detect at the table it is pretty easy to spot when all cards are face up.

Then there is "pot building" where one player has a very strong hand and
the partner works to help build the pot by calling, betting or raising
(depending on position) without a hand. The "pot builder" almost always
drops out early.

Finally there is the classic "squeeze play" where two players use raises
and re-raises to try and drive a third player out of the hand. Here again
you will rarely see their cards in a showdown. This method is so obvious
that it is rarely uses by sophisticated cheats. None the less we look for
it as amateurs still try to use it on occasion."
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Old 06-23-2008, 04:43 PM   #25
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Re: BEAT: Pokerstars support lost their sense of humor?

LirvA...,

thx for the Info.
Now i start to understand a bit more...

Exspecially the part "squeeze play"

But dont the guys realize that i just wanna dump money to them with my friend, by rererereraisng with trash all the time? they need like 33% Equity to make a correct call against two random hands....
Pretty profitable to have 2 donks at the table IMO. Ok, i do understand that the NL2 players dont get that, but the pokerstars guys should realize that. But even the NL2 got that and waited for a decent hand to triple up. we were even leaving some tables and joined an empty table, but the guys followed us! (dunno why, lolz)
They should also realize that i´m not colluding.
I mean, we did looooots of funky stuff like randomly folding to minrererraises getting 4234095823405980:1 odds.....just drunk gambling.
We were feeding the fish ;(
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