Just found this: http://www.freelancer.com/projects/N...BOT-SUITE.html on a site where you can hire freelancers to do work for you.

Guy seems to be very serious about it, listing a crazy list of features his bot already has. Some of them are:

- Other Bots-Players detection system
- Advanced Stealth features, memory cloaking, user simulation, captcha resolver...
- Advanced Game Simulations for Bot Debugging/IA Generation/Synthetic Stats Generation
- Hands and Player Stats Collector for General Analysis and Player Profiling

:O

His real name is easy to find out, though.
F AMATEURS!

- NMHU.

That's a list of features he wants it to have. There is no bot except in his imagination. Check out his previous project, HAY GUISE PLEASE BUILD ME A POKAH SITE FOR 5K. Status cancelled LDO.

People who are good enough to write poker bots are out on their own doing it, not accepting jobs on freelancer.com for:

lol.

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Good enough for what exactly?
Like every contemporary software project, you will have to share your experiences in a fruitful way. It's very rare that Mark Zuckerberg-alikes start doing their bot-business, because there are only 5 on the planet, and they might want to start a more lucrative business than bot-coding.
I don't know if you have read that bot-thread about Super-Turbo-SnG-Bots on FTP (I think): that was teamwork as well.
In fact, I'd guess that 95% of the bots out there are the result of teamwork.

OTOH, a lot of things a working poker bot needs, is trivial: like databasing, reading the cards from the client (cos you usually can't just check the Windows API for instance), etc.
So why hire an experienced bot-builder who knows what profit a bot can make, if you can hire an Indian for 250 bucks?

I don't disagree with any of that in theory, but it doesn't really seem to apply to this case. The stuff this guy wants is not boilerplate code, it's core functions like DLL injection into poker clients. That is not simple stuff.

The problem with hiring a random Indian as a partner for something like this is that you don't want him to do black box coding, if he does databasing etc he's going to have to expose an API for you and you're going to have to spec it really thoroughly if you don't want it to be ****. By the time you've specced everything you could probably have just written it yourself.

This is all kind of irrelevant as the project in the OP is a huge joke, as an ex-IT professional it's obvious the guy knows just enough to list all the right buzzwords and that's it. Most of what's there is either so vague as to be meaningless or contradictory. Asking for an "Advanced C/C++ developer" is a dead giveaway you don't know what you're talking about, as anyone with a clue would just say "Advanced C++ developer".

My guess is he read the Coding The Wheel series on bot development and then let his imagination run wild. Check out how many of the spec lines start with "Advanced" or "Extreme", I imagine this guy was fapping while he was writing this ****.

nice budget he's working with there..

AFAIK, the "scraping" (that's what they call reading the cards from the screen) isn't sophisticated at all. You just have to locate all the relevant data from the right location on the screen. That's what a 1st year cs student should accomplish.
No DLL injection or smth like that.

Well, Bill Gates didn't write all the Microsoft code himself, because, you guess what, he had not enough time and cheaper employees than himself. I mean: really: you could argue that any software project should exclusively done by one person, because he/she knows best.

"C/C++" is the standard keyword in any sub-industry you ask. There's no "C++ only, but pls not C developper" keyword in any job posting.

As far as I'm concerned, C is more important than C++, because C++ is just C with all the OO **** around which Java and C# and all the other stuff can do much better than C++, because in C++, you have to write all your basic client-server/database/math stuff all by yourself.

However, if you want really fast code, you want explicitly C developpers, because C is much faster than Java, C# or anything else (except ASM and such).

From the project spec:

Add compatibility to more poker sites using code injection APIs, OCR can only be used as last resource

Microsoft don't hire random Indians on the internet to write crucial parts of their applications. There are good reasons for this.

Maybe it's different in the US, here if people want a C++ developer, they say "C++ developer". Nobody says "C/C# developer" even though C# is also C-based. None of the code for a poker bot is going to be written in C, it will all be C++.

1. Wrong. He already has parts of the bot finished, done by other programmers. Read the description.
2. Wrong. There are many many good, qualified programmers out there who work as a freelancer and will not use their own creations to make money (like starting a business on their own). Pretty ridiculous statement too as this is what freelancing is all about.
3. He's not paying $250-750 for the entire bot, he's paying someone to make certain smaller functions of the bot.
4. Don't talk about stuff you seemingly have no knowledge of. I have a business and have hired freelancers for my business quite often and the prices are not that outrageously weird as you're implying. The programmers only have to make certain parts of the bot, something you obviously missed. He's asking for multiple programmers to all do different little parts of the bot.

Not sure why OP felt it necessary to post this. Poker bots already exist, it's not like some guy building another is game changing. When his bot can do better than the stuff the foremost poker AI research team at the University of Alberta is capable of perhaps then it's worthy of a thread.

Head asplode to all above.

He's not a native English speaker so he just has the tense wrong. In "Some of the features of our software are the following", "are" should be "will be". There are multiple indications that this is the case. Some of the things he's listed as features of the bot - eg "Advanced Game,Player,Tables Stats and Chart Visualization" and "Script Parsing/Extended Backus–Naur Form/Boost Spirit" - are exactly what he later asks a contractor to create. In the "desired sites" section he's listed Pokerstars, Full Tilt, Party Poker, Everest Poker, 888 Poker, Ultimate Bet, Betfair, Cake Poker, so which site(s) is the bot currently working on?

Also, he's asking for programmers to only do specific bits of the bot... except those bits are: 1) interfacing with the sites (to get game data and perform actions) 2) handling storage of data on players/tables and analysis of that data and 3) allowing external scripts to be plugged in to act as the brain of the bot. So isn't that.... an entire bot? I mean what else is there to a bot?

Of course I realise he's asking for smaller chunks of the bot, but the pricing/timeframes are still ludicrous. Please refer to the interfacing with sites via DLL injection part, where he estimates 1-2 sites completed per person per week. He just has absolutely no idea wtf he is talking about.

If you've actually read his other project where he proposed that someone build him a complete poker site for 5K and still think he's for real, I don't know what to say.

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