I am too...was just curious what the timeframe was....doubt that info will be given though

I know about the STEAMROLLER flashes of 500k.

I also can tell you that STEAMROLLER was not a regular enough player to have won that kind of money -- not even close.

I believe that he had an artifically inflated bankroll, since AJ and Scott could basically enter any numbers they wanted. Obviously that amount could not be cashed out without scrutiny, so they probably didn't even try it.

This does raise the possibility that AJ or Scott plugged phony numbers into accounts and then cashed them out, but that probably would have been detected at some point. If this did occur, at least it came from AP and not players like us.

One thing I can tell you for certain is that STEAMROLLER did not win 500k on AP prior to his recent bout of cheating.

Assuming Joe Norton became the real rather than nominal owner, why didn't he put his own trusted people on site, to protect his interests?

there are a lot of different ways to skim money on a poker site. Over 3 years that's about 1100 days at 6k a day it's 6.5+ Million. If any of us had access to this winning 6k a day not only possible it'd take about less than an hour across different limits/game types.

It being an incestous pool probably filled with old friends, family, frat bros etc. I think 7 mill is very easily doable. Do they offer stud, PL, PLO, SNG, etc. Spread around it'd be impossible to track and I think the previous users with access were probably smarter (of course this is not what potripper's MO is in that 1 tourney)

can people who speak to AP please (where possible) record the phone calls?

They offer all games...but none of them ever ran prior to 6 months ago....and even now its only low limits

the two biggest problems with the 7 mill estimate:

1.)Why the sudden change in playing styles? As far as I know, no one has been playing 95/80 or w/e and winning.

2.)The idea that these "ballers" are going to patiently grind out msnl or ssnl seems very unlikely to me.

That's the whole point. This scam was not smart. It was reckless and painfully obvious.

I find it unlikely that these brilliant criminal minds, who had been perfectly skimming 6k/day for 3 years, suddenly decided to be complete ******s and totally give away their whole scam. They were complete ******s from the start. I don't think these egotistical jerkoffs had even 10% of the self-control necessary to pull off a long-term small-increment scamming of the games.

I read in an earlier thread that Nines and Absolute were in the same office building in Costa Rica and that is likely how they first met.

Justin West has some new thoughts about the scandal. He now thinks that there was cheating going on. O RLY?

He still says there was no superuser, though.

gg

That Beckley relation revelation if true is pretty funny.

It's funny you know. It's a good story, it's funny, they're funny guys.

who the [censored] is this tard anyway?

ive never heard his name before all this

I read somewhere that AJ is a cocaine user. Personally, I stick to classic drugs, such as shoe polish and gasoline, so I don't know about cocaine - but could that cause a person to on one three day binge go atypically nuts?

I agree that did not seem like the MO from the tourny HHs. But more than a few ex props said they felt cheated way back in the day. I do believe that any scammer usually starts out smaller and builds up so I can believe them starting out smaller

fwiw many of the props that feel "cheated" ranged from flat out terrible, to not being able to beat the games they choose to play.

yeah this is hilarious



so awesome - dude's grandparents are grinding plo sngs. case closed, guys.

It only takes one coked-up ****** to ruin it for everyone.

This type of pattern has been repeated 1258458345872345 times throughout history:

- Amazingly awesome scam that will never be detected
- Inner circle widens a bit
- Some noob gets cocky/cokey, does something idiotic to "blow" it for everyone

Do you wonder why??

Brent has been involved from the start at AP. Are you sure about this connection? One uses a real name but the other doesn't?

Nah, he's just an imbecile.

Why is the likelihood of a 'superuser' account so bizzare to some people? It's one of the basic corner stones of any computer system. Even this board has exactly this heirarchy, (user < moderator < administrator). I've written many programs, and while none of them are security based, I nearly always had a 'superuser' simply for debugging information, like, well I don't know, let's say seeing all the cards at a table. (Mine were engineering programs, but the principle is exactly the same.)

I also can't really think of how he could have made 500k playing cash or tourneys considering I never saw him at any of the higher stakes tables before the last few months. Either way I think he got 500k into his account illegally and I would assume somehow that money was taken illegally from the players. AP needs to come out with the names of these players they know had superuser ability. They have no right to not tell us who they are.