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09-04-2015 , 09:34 AM

#26

The Bukafax

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Originally Posted by FoldzNever

Haha yea. No to that. Why go from making +EV moves to -EV moves if Im actually trying to win..... Ohhhh I see what u did there.

To combat it I have started to just 2 table 100NL Zone. I've been running bad there as well but def. Not like 50NL. After about 4k hands at just 100NL Im still running about 250bb below EV but as usual I'm up about 300bb for the day. Had a couple of weird spots where I was 250bb+ deep OOP vs another deep stack.
Hero AxAx (250bb)
Villian in CO (About 225bb)

I make it 3.5 villian raises to 9. I then 4 bet to 25 villian calls. Flop is 2x10x9x I lead for 37 about 3/4 pot. Villian calls. Turn is 2x I bet 45 villian jams. I tank fold. Anon poker eliminates reads But I think based on his sizing I can eliminate KK-JJ. That small 3B sizing indicates a middling hand just raising in position. so 1010-88 maybe 77. Based on that I figured I could safely fold. Thoughts?!

GTFO. You won money on your downer you fool. You don't even deserve to have this thread. You do not know what people suffer through. This is literally the poker equvilant of Kim K going to Africa to complain about the water limit in Cali. Just go back to diagon alley with your hufflepuff friends you soft minded plebe. If you can't handle that I can't even imagine how you deal with anything in real life.

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09-04-2015 , 03:44 PM

#27

FreddyTheFish

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10/9 @ 6 max.
[ ] TAG style

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09-04-2015 , 05:31 PM

#28

Anyway

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Listen to this OP, some excellent food for thought here.

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Originally Posted by The Bukafax

GTFO.

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09-04-2015 , 09:14 PM

#29

FoldzNever

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I don't get the hate for my 108 style. Its not regular 6max its Zone. The styles are completely different. When I first started I played my regular 24/18 style. Got crushed and experimented with a few different styles. This one was the most profitable. It took me about 3 weeks to get it down. So because the trolls don't like my VPIP/PFR I should switch to a style that I know is -EV for me?

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09-04-2015 , 09:41 PM

#30

Abe008

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Complaining about 2 weeks worth of results as a full time player is pretty lol. Read up on some mental game stuff and keep grinding, your actual results should converge to your EV in the long run.

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09-04-2015 , 09:58 PM

#31

FoldzNever

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Originally Posted by Abe008

Complaining about 2 weeks worth of results as a full time player is pretty lol. Read up on some mental game stuff and keep grinding, your actual results should converge to your EV in the long run.

I have been doing some reading. Any books you can suggest?

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09-04-2015 , 10:00 PM

#32

FoldzNever

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Originally Posted by CyberShark93

wait... are the games that soft that u can play 10/8 and turn a profit???

Its Zone so 10/8 isnt actually 10/8. Your seeing like 4x the amount of hands. Why put myself in a ton of marginal spots when I dont even need to?

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09-05-2015 , 01:51 AM

#33

neil02

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name: FoldzNever

VPIP: 10

wat

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09-05-2015 , 04:44 AM

#34

Brokenstars

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Originally Posted by Abe008

Complaining about 2 weeks worth of results as a full time player is pretty lol. Read up on some mental game stuff and keep grinding, your actual results should converge to your EV in the long run.

If he is 20BI below EV right now .... his expected EV after 1 million hands would still be 20BI below EV.

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09-05-2015 , 04:49 AM

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Brokenstars

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09-05-2015 , 09:22 AM

#36

ihufa

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Uninstall all in EV function.

Then uninstall bbv

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09-05-2015 , 11:15 AM

#37

missapple

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your playing to loose.....
whyyyyy isnt this site available in the uk

makes me feel depressed

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09-05-2015 , 11:27 AM

#38

Jamsym2

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Get someone competent to watch you play for an hour and double your winrate. Pretty crazy you can win 6bb/100 playing so nitty. Games are good.

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09-05-2015 , 11:52 AM

#39

Abe008

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars

If he is 20BI below EV right now .... his expected EV after 1 million hands would still be 20BI below EV.

That's true. The $ amount may always be 20 buy ins under if he ran at expectation from now on, however in terms of bb/100, EV and actual will converge in the long run. The amount under EV as a percentage will get smaller and smaller the more hands are played.

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09-05-2015 , 03:49 PM

#40

FoldzNever

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Do any of you even play fast fold in high volume anywhere? Or is this all just speculation. Because of the 3 coaches I've spoken with over the bast 2 says none have said my style is way too nitty. Only that I need to increase my steal% some. Putting yourself in unnecessary marginal spots just so your VPIP/PFR number looks sexy is total rubbish. No wonder so many posters on these forums are losing players.

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09-05-2015 , 06:19 PM

#41

The Bukafax

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Originally Posted by FoldzNever

Have some bad news brah. Not everybody lives in your poverty governed country of Murica. I play Zoom and if I ever attempted to play with those stats I would be exploited all day. Idk what coaches you talk to but you can deff can more value having a larger pfr then 8 lmfao.

Hope your horrible disgrace of a country figures its policies out to get some more 10/8 players back over to Stars. Easiest to play against without your hiding on bovada.

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09-05-2015 , 07:45 PM

#42

Brokenstars

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Originally Posted by Abe008

I understand what you are trying to say.... but how you are saying it is still technically incorrect and a lot of people believe what you originally stated but didn't actually mean.

Flipping a coin and getting 10 heads in a row doesn't make it more likely the next 10 flips there is a greater than 50% chance of getting tails.

Flip the coin 1 million times and the expectation is still going to be 10 more heads than tails. But, if we were to graph the EV and the results over this many flips like we do in poker, then the graph would appear to get closer and closer. This is only because of the sample size increasing, not because they are converging.

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09-05-2015 , 07:46 PM

#43

Brokenstars

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Originally Posted by The Bukafax

Have some bad news brah. Not everybody lives in your poverty governed country of Murica. I play Zoom and if I ever attempted to play with those stats I would be exploited all day. Idk what coaches you talk to but you can deff can more value having a larger pfr then 8 lmfao.

Hope your horrible disgrace of a country figures its policies out to get some more 10/8 players back over to Stars. Easiest to play against without your hiding on bovada.

He can't be exploited when the game is anonymous. (At least not intentionally)

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09-05-2015 , 09:12 PM

#44

ssg

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10/8 and calls himself tag.

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09-05-2015 , 10:26 PM

#45

The Bukafax

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars

He can't be exploited when the game is anonymous. (At least not intentionally)

I know. He asked if anybody plays fast poker at all. So I let him know that people outside of US have to play "known". So I would get exploited, stating that his style can be wrong.

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09-05-2015 , 10:30 PM

#46

Brokenstars

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yh, okay.

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09-05-2015 , 10:39 PM

#47

FoldzNever

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My stats in Zoom and Rush are completely different. Even my regular 6 max stats are about 24/18. But this style seems to work for me. You cant really exploit anyone on Bovada in Zone so playing a highly exploitable but profitable style can be the right move.

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09-05-2015 , 11:43 PM

#48

NomoneyHU.

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Well FoldzNever, honestly, I think I might talk to wafflehouse1 about your odd rhetoric. This sub is definitely an integral part to TwoPlusTwo and you are sullying it by telling us and many others ****ty memes. You've got some major problems and I worry they are never going to be solved if you loiter here, letting other people's sadness and derision inculcate your own bitterness. Because newsflash! : No one likes you/

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09-05-2015 , 11:55 PM

#49

omnishakira

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Well NomoneyHU., honestly, I think I might talk to wafflehouse1 about your odd rhetoric. This forum is definitely an integral part to TwoPlusTwo and you are sullying it by ****posting and spamming signatures. You've got some major problems and I worry they are never going to be solved if you loiter here, letting other people's sadness and derision inculcate your own bitterness. Because newsflash! : No one likes you

OverRustle BasedGod NoTears

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09-06-2015 , 12:47 AM

#50

NomoneyHU.

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Originally Posted by omnishakira

You're a sick and unsympathetic person who derives pleasure from other peoples misfortunes. It's truly emblematic of a deep sadness welled within you. I actually feel bad for you, so much so that I actually try and get banned so as you can have some form of catharsis; you obviously have no other way to vent your emotion.

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