I wasn't referring to your comment as I never saw it. I was talking about the ones that I made that were deleted and the warning I got for even mentioning it. Also, I did not make a post in this thread. I don't even know if that's what it's called but what I am saying is that I made a couple of comments in the "poker is rigged" thread and the mods moved it here where it doesn't belong.

If you feel it is worthless, then why not contribute to it? Why just be a troll? If you don't think ACR is rigged, then why not give your reasoning and any evidence to back that up. I was hoping to learn from everyone but all I did was get mocked but nobody provided any evidence themselves. Nobody said, it's not rigged because of A, B, and C. I don't get that as it should be fairly common for someone to come here and make the claim. Just type "online poker" into Google and look at the suggestions that it gives you. I'm not the only one saying this, especially about ACR.

I am open minded and would love to be wrong. The only thing I hear from those that disagree is "it's not" but don't give any evidence and only add to the discussion by making a sarcastic joke to mock.

Is this the image you are talking about?



I only see one image.

What is it telling me other than you being dealt AA and KK 51 times, and making good money when you do.

You haven't had any posts deleted in this thread.

You do realise you can't prove a negative.

The only (three consecutive) posts that you have ever received a Warning for are at https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=90440. They were never deleted, and they are still there to be read by those wanting to follow your every post. The Warning was for a "Rigged derail", so presumably they were in a thread you were attempting to derail, and therefore they were moved to the proper thread for them. Not difficult for you to find, if you bothered to look for them instead of making numbers of other fallacious posts that they were deleted.

Why would you say that?

https://imgur.com/a/8t9qVUG

How did you get an image in your post? I would have done that had I known it was possible.

I really don't want to have this discussion anymore because it drains all the life out of me. I cannot understand why you only want to defend the site instead of looking at it with an open mind and acknowledge the other points that I made. That's why I don't want to discuss this anymore because it's impossible to have a discussion with someone who has their mind made up, who ignores every question, cherry picks the evidence, and only wants to prove you wrong. I would have no problem with any of these things if you actually played on ACR. Since you don't, I don't understand why you have such a strong opinion on something you have zero experience with. I keep mentioning this over and over again because you keep ignoring it. I honestly don't care what you have to say until I can get a reasonable answer to this question because I find it very bizarre.

As I said before I'd be really intrigued if someone proved superusers. It would be a massive story. It's even feasible that it could happen (as was proven before).

You just aren't doing it.

I'm not having to prove anything wrong, because you aren't proving me anything to prove wrong.

The one set of stats you gave doesn't make any sense, because you have said you don't think everyone is a superuser.

What information would you like? You do understand that it is extremely difficult to just prove something like that don't you? I am doing the best that I can and giving the information that I have.

My issue with you and everyone else is nobody wants to look at what I provide, they only want to dismiss and tell me how it doesn't prove anything. The closed mindset is what I find odd and what I find suspicious.

Let me ask again, what information would you like? How would someone go about proving that a site is cheating the players?

I only said I received one warning. In that warning, I received the following message.

Dear tilter29,

You have received a warning at Two Plus Two Poker Forums.

Reason:
-------
Rigged Derail

Rigged Derail
-------

Original Post:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...8#post56852848


Warnings serve as a reminder to you of the forum's rules, which you are expected to understand and follow.

All the best,
Two Plus Two Poker Forums

When I click on the link it gives me the following message:
"No Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator"

You are saying that the post is still there? I don't see it and when I click on your link, it takes me to part of my post. It doesn't take me to the thread. I asked legitmate questions that instead of getting an answer to, I got a warning about being banned. I think asking if a site can manipulate the RNG whenever they want is a fair question and completely relevent to online poker being rigged. Just like my original post is relevant to online poker being rigged and obviously saying that there are super users on a site doesn't belong in the "Poker Beats, Brags, and Variance" thread.

I'm guessing that derail means off topic? I don't think my post was off topic. Your post is off topic you must be attempting to derail so I am giving you a warning or I will ban you. Kidding but my concern about comments being moved and deleted is not the main point of my op. Since we are on this topic how about the fact I didn't want a thread, I just wanted to make a post in the "online poker is rigged" thread because that's where it belongs. It seems odd to me that you are attempting to hide any rigged accusations and making them difficult to find by moving them where nobody would think to look for them. That makes me suspicious.

who are you asking? what are you asking specifically about?

Why do you ignore every question that I ask you??????? What do I have to explain every little thing to you like you are a child?

A super user wouldn't see someone has AA or KK and put in more money preflop. You know that so why I have to explain this to you is ridiculous. The stat I gave makes sense to anyone who understands English. You don't even have to play poker to understand that concept. You ignore a legitimate piece of evidence by just saying it doesn't make sense which is just wrong. You do understand that when you play poker you want to win money. This means that when you have a good hand, you put in MORE money. People put more money in the pot by raising. So if someone could see a player had pocket AA or KK (just in case you try and act like you don't know AA and KK are the two best starting hands in No Limit Hold'em) then they wouldn't be looking to put any extra money in the pot until they can beat those hands. One of the 3 bets I faced was when I had KK and they had AA, so that should really just be 1. That is evidence and that does make sense. Stop acting like you don't understand because I don't believe that you or anyone is that incompetent.

So, just a reminder we've already had this conversation and I've told you why the information you provided doesn't prove superusers.

I'm not sure what questions I'm not answering.

Click on my link again. Then click on the relevant "Thread" it is in, shown at top right of your post that has opened. That will open the thread and you will see the discussion about your post that followed.

Your post was moved from wherever you posted it originally, (presumably the ACR thread?), because it was determined to be a thread derail. It was never deleted - only moved to the correct discussion thread for "it's rigged!" comment. If you search for your own posts, you'll see it there, too.

******If you have never played on ACR, then how can you have such a strong opinion about this when you have zero experience?*******************************

That's the question that you keep ignoring that I have asked at least 5 times.

https://imgur.com/ZQ0PLoe

There is no "relevant "thread" to choose from. There is nothing that I can click on except to contact an administrator. My post was moved from "The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition" and that is why I don't understand why you would move it. It even has rigged right in title.

A friend of mine stop by today and I had made a deposit on WPN because I wanted to do some more tests on them and my friend has never played poker, doesn't know anything about poker and she asked me what I was doing. I said playing online poker and asked what she thought of this. I then showed her the lobby and how there were 6 tables with 1 person sitting at them at the same limit. She said "why don't they play against each other?" then I said, "watch this". I then sat down at one of these tables and played two hands and immediately the table was full. She went "that's weird, it's like they are only there because you sat down." I then said, "watch this" and I sat out the next BB, and before it even got back to me to post the BB again, the game broke up and everyone had left or was sitting out. She then said, "they are cheating".

Even someone who doesn't play poker can see how obvious it is that something strange is going on.

That being said I did play a few hands today and can't help but think it's rigged. I mean this time they really ramped it up and they aren't even shy about it. I completely changed my strategy this time because as my friend was watching me play, she would ask questions and when I answered them out loud, some things became more clear to me than when they are thoughts in my head. When I listened to myself and trusted my gut and ignored all the math, ignored all the proper strategy, and just went by my experience playing on this site. My results started out much better and I even had two winning sessions. This was extremely difficult to do as it felt like walking through a mine field blind folded. I had a new approach but also found someone in the Blitz game that was a real person. There were at least 3 of them and this is what made the difference. When I played pots against these 3 people, the hands didn't feel staged or set up. They were normal hands. It would go back and forth, coolers still happen, suck outs still happen but it wasn't always in one direction. That was the biggest reason for why I was able to collect a profit from the session.

Here are a couple hands from that session, I would really like to know how someone doesn't find this hand really bizarre.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 2.00(BB)
HERO ($78.50) [VPIP: 21.4% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 36.1% | Flop Agg: 39.3% | Turn Agg: 35.7% | River Agg: 29.2% | 3-Bet: 8.1% | 4-Bet: 20.8% | Cold Call: 10.2% | Hands: 12037]
BTN ($203) [VPIP: 37.5% | PFR: 37.5% | AGG: 66.7% | Flop Agg: 100% | Turn Agg: 100% | River Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 9]
SB ($201) [VPIP: 66.1% | PFR: 55.9% | AGG: 28.9% | Hands: 71]

Dealt to Hero: 9 A

BTN Raises To $4.50, SB Folds, HERO Calls $2.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [7.4 effective]
Flop ($10): 8 A 2
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $2.50 (Rem. Stack: $196), HERO Calls $2.50 (Rem. Stack: $71.50)

Turn ($15): 8 A 2 K
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $19 (Rem. Stack: $177), HERO Calls $19 (Rem. Stack: $52.50)

River ($53): 8 A 2 K 2
HERO Checks, BTN Checks



I don't see the 2 as being a scare card that would cause him to check behind. I didn't 3-bet so to put me on an A would be not likely. It is very hard for me to have a deuce here as pocket 22 are the only hand that would make sense and I would have raised on flop or the turn with that hand. I think this is evidence. I know it's just one hand and one hand on its own doesn't mean anything so I have more.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 2.00(BB)
BTN ($214.57) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 55.6% | Hands: 25]
SB ($208.30) [VPIP: 23.3% | PFR: 15% | AGG: 20.8% | Hands: 61]
BB ($259.95) [VPIP: 26.3% | PFR: 10.5% | AGG: 57.1% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 66.7% | River Agg: 100% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 33.3% | Hands: 19]
UTG ($380.07) [VPIP: 16.4% | PFR: 9.6% | AGG: 22.2% | Hands: 76]
HJ ($160) [VPIP: 17.8% | PFR: 14.9% | AGG: 31% | Hands: 215]
HERO ($217.25) [VPIP: 21.4% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 36.1% | Flop Agg: 39.3% | Turn Agg: 35.7% | River Agg: 29.2% | 3-Bet: 8.1% | 4-Bet: 20.8% | Hands: 12037]

Dealt to Hero: A A

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $5, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $3

Hero SPR on Flop: [19.3 effective]
Flop ($11): J 6 5
BB Checks, HERO Bets $8.25 (Rem. Stack: $204), BB Raises To $25 (Rem. Stack: $229.95), HERO Calls $16.75 (Rem. Stack: $187.25)

Turn ($61): J 6 5 Q
BB Bets $42 (Rem. Stack: $187.95), HERO Calls $42 (Rem. Stack: $145.25)

River ($145): J 6 5 Q 7
BB Bets $187.95 (allin), HERO Calls $145.25 (allin)



Exactly 12 hands later, yes 12 hands later. Let me repeat that, 12 hands later, this happens

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 2.00(BB)
BTN ($235.20) [VPIP: 16.4% | PFR: 9.6% | AGG: 22.2% | Hands: 76]
HERO ($139.97) [VPIP: 21.4% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 36.1% | Hands: 12037]
BB ($402.69) [VPIP: 17.4% | PFR: 12.7% | AGG: 38.4% | Hands: 372]
UTG ($230.58) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 55.6% | Hands: 25]
HJ ($240) [VPIP: 29.4% | PFR: 19.6% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 54]
CO ($202.45) [VPIP: 30.6% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 21.4% | Hands: 36]

Dealt to Hero: A A

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $5, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $18, BB Folds, CO Raises To $42, HERO Raises To $139.97 (allin), CO Calls $97.97

Flop ($281.94): J 9 9

Turn ($281.94): J 9 9 7

River ($281.94): J 9 9 7 6



and this one happened in between sprinkled in and was the only other hand I played

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 2.00(BB)
BTN ($256.69) [VPIP: 21.6% | PFR: 18.3% | AGG: 41.2% | Hands: 218]
SB ($70.66) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 12.5% | AGG: 8.3% | Hands: 26]
HERO ($189.47) [VPIP: 21.4% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 36.1% | Flop Agg: 39.3% | Turn Agg: 35.7% | River Agg: 29.2% | 3-Bet: 8.1% | 4-Bet: 20.8% | Cold Call: 10.2% | Hands: 12037]
UTG ($347.84) [VPIP: 34.9% | PFR: 18.6% | AGG: 19% | Hands: 45]
HJ ($415.40) [VPIP: 18.5% | PFR: 12.8% | AGG: 29.6% | Hands: 344]
CO ($258) [VPIP: 30.6% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 21.4% | Flop Agg: 20% | Turn Agg: 20% | River Agg: 25% | 3-Bet: 15.4% | 4-Bet: 33.3% | Hands: 36]

Dealt to Hero: A 7

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $5, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $3

Hero SPR on Flop: [16.77 effective]
Flop ($11): 3 2 Q
HERO Bets $11 (Rem. Stack: $173.47), CO Calls $11 (Rem. Stack: $242)

Turn ($33): 3 2 Q Q
HERO Bets $33 (Rem. Stack: $140.47), CO Calls $33 (Rem. Stack: $209)

River ($99): 3 2 Q Q 8
HERO Bets $2 (Rem. Stack: $138.47), CO Calls $2 (Rem. Stack: $207)



This hand was against a new account that I didn't recognize and this is what makes it very difficult to play against as well as provide evidence. They are always a flood of new players and accounts that only show up for a hand or two, run like god and then never see them again. This is a typical hand though where the person did play the hand exactly as if he could see my cards and didn't know what cards were coming next. This is a typical board runout on WPN against certain accounts. You always, and I mean ALWAYS whiff the flop, then when you c-bet with air it gets called and then the turn sucks you in and is usually a card that "appears" like it was good for your hand and it gets you to put more money in and then the river bricks. If anyone doesn't believe me, I can prove this as I color coded these players today and I did not make one single pair against these accounts that are regulars that run like god, never bluff when I have a hand, never make a bet against me when I have the better hand, make insane hero calls on the river, and it is impossible to beat them in decent sized pot. If you have the rare occasion of flopping top pair or a set, then they instantly check fold. I'm convinced these are house accounts that either employees play on or are bots that the house owns because I don't know how else they could possibly manipulate the RNG in their favor unless they were owned by the site.

I don't like just posting a few hands here and there because that doesn't say much and all the hands make up the evidence and I don't like it when people cherry pick my evidence or what I say so I just put in all the hands I played and saw the flop. I didn't include all the hands I folded. So some of these are unremarkable but I wanted to post all of them and not just some to be fully transparent.


Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $71.86 (144 bb)
MP (Hero): $50.50 (101 bb)
CO: $29.42 (59 bb)
BU: $56.85 (114 bb)
SB: $51.20 (102 bb)
BB: $57.90 (116 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with T♣ T♠
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, BTN 3-bets to $4.50, 1 fold, BB calls $4, Hero calls $3.25

Flop: ($13.75) 5♥ 3♥ 5♠ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $4.68, BB folds, Hero raises to $16.23, BTN raises to $52.35 (all-in), Hero calls $29.77 (all-in)

Turn: ($105.75) T♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($105.75) K♠ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $105.75 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
BU shows K♦ K♣ (a full house, Kings full of Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 92%, Turn: 5%, River: 100%)

MP (Hero) shows T♣ T♠ (a full house, Tens full of Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 8%, Turn: 95%, River: 0%)

BU wins $102.75





Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG (Hero): $104.57 (209 bb)
MP: $81.97 (164 bb)
CO: $152.07 (304 bb)
BU: $50.00 (100 bb)
SB: $50.00 (100 bb)
BB: $96.91 (194 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with J♥ J♣
Hero raises to $1.25, 3 players fold, SB 3-bets to $5.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $4.25

Flop: ($11.50) 4♥ 7♣ 9♠ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.75, SB calls $5.75

Turn: ($23) 5♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($23) A♣ (2 players)
SB bets $17.48, UTG (Hero) folds

Total pot: $23 (Rake: $1.15)
SB wins $21.85





Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG (Hero): $62.00 (124 bb)
MP: $208.51 (417 bb)
CO: $59.97 (120 bb)
BU: $96.08 (192 bb)
SB: $29.54 (59 bb)
BB: $95.68 (191 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with 5♥ 5♠
Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, CO 3-bets to $3.75, 3 players fold, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($8.25) 4♠ 7♠ 4♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.72, Hero calls $2.72

Turn: ($13.69) A♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $9.03, UTG (Hero) folds

Total pot: $13.69 (Rake: $0.68)
CO wins $13.01





Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $155.70 (311 bb)
MP: $82.71 (165 bb)
CO: $64.42 (129 bb)
BU: $64.02 (128 bb)
SB (Hero): $95.32 (191 bb)
BB: $83.16 (166 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 7♥ K♥
4 players fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3) 4♣ 5♥ 9♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, BB calls $0.75

Turn: ($4.50) T♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $3.37, Hero calls $3.37

River: ($11.24) 9♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Total pot: $11.24 (Rake: $0.56)

Showdown:
BB shows 4♥ A♦ (two pair, Nines and Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 57%, Flop: 48%, Turn: 68%, River: 100%)

SB (Hero) shows 7♥ K♥ (a pair of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 43%, Flop: 52%, Turn: 32%, River: 0%)

BB wins $10.68





Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $90.07 (180 bb)
MP (Hero): $83.45 (167 bb)
CO: $50.62 (101 bb)
BU: $88.90 (178 bb)
SB: $60.25 (121 bb)
BB: $78.25 (157 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with J♠ A♠
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, CO 3-bets to $4, 3 players fold, Hero calls $2.75

Flop: ($8.75) 3♣ T♥ Q♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.75, MP (Hero) folds

Total pot: $8.75 (Rake: $0.43)
CO wins $8.32





Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $50.00 (100 bb)
MP: $79.34 (159 bb)
CO: $86.30 (173 bb)
BU: $77.03 (154 bb)
SB (Hero): $70.23 (140 bb)
BB: $54.73 (109 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 7♦ 7♠
4 players fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3) 3♠ 5♦ K♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $1.88, Hero calls $1.88

Turn: ($6.76) A♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $4.82, SB (Hero) folds

Total pot: $6.76 (Rake: $0.33)
BB wins $6.43





Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG (Hero): $74.04 (148 bb)
MP: $50.00 (100 bb)
CO: $61.47 (123 bb)
BU: $83.46 (167 bb)
SB: $68.98 (138 bb)
BB: $292.02 (584 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with Q♣ K♥
Hero raises to $1.25, 4 players fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75) K♦ 9♣ 4♦ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.06, BB calls $2.06

Turn: ($6.87) A♥ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($6.87) J♥ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $6.87 (Rake: $0.34)

Showdown:
UTG (Hero) shows Q♣ K♥ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 85%, Turn: 11%, River: 0%)

BB shows A♣ 8♣ (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 59%, Flop: 15%, Turn: 89%, River: 100%)

BB wins $6.53





Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $66.25 (133 bb)
MP: $50.10 (100 bb)
CO (Hero): $60.50 (121 bb)
BU: $137.72 (275 bb)
SB: $98.41 (197 bb)
BB: $50.50 (101 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with Q♠ T♥
2 players fold, Hero raises to $1.25, 2 players fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75) 7♠ T♣ 2♦ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.06, BB calls $2.06

Turn: ($6.87) 3♣ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($6.87) A♦ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $6.87 (Rake: $0.34)

Showdown:
CO (Hero) shows Q♠ T♥ (a pair of Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 27%, Flop: 13%, Turn: 7%, River: 0%)

BB shows T♦ A♠ (two pair, Aces and Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 73%, Flop: 87%, Turn: 93%, River: 100%)

BB wins $6.53





Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $36.28 (73 bb)
MP: $66.95 (134 bb)
CO: $69.17 (138 bb)
BU (Hero): $76.94 (154 bb)
SB: $53.62 (107 bb)
BB: $65.41 (131 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with T♥ J♣
3 players fold, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75) K♣ 9♥ 5♠ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.75) 2♣ (2 players)
BB bets $0.78, BU (Hero) folds

Total pot: $2.75 (Rake: $0.13)
BB wins $2.62





Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $55.88 (112 bb)
MP: $36.43 (73 bb)
CO: $103.00 (206 bb)
BU (Hero): $77.45 (155 bb)
SB: $61.85 (124 bb)
BB: $44.27 (89 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with A♠ 8♥
3 players fold, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75) 4♥ T♣ 4♣ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.75) 9♦ (2 players)
BB bets $2.75, BU (Hero) folds

Total pot: $2.75 (Rake: $0.13)
BB wins $2.62





Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $206.19 (412 bb)
MP (Hero): $55.15 (110 bb)
CO: $149.52 (299 bb)
BU: $69.22 (138 bb)
SB: $77.60 (155 bb)
BB: $105.26 (211 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with 8♣ 7♣
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.25, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($4) 9♥ A♣ 3♦ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.95, BB folds, MP (Hero) folds

Total pot: $4 (Rake: $0.20)
BU wins $3.80





Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $90.26 (181 bb)
MP: $187.61 (375 bb)
CO (Hero): $60.00 (120 bb)
BU: $51.64 (103 bb)
SB: $122.99 (246 bb)
BB: $50.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with K♥ T♦
2 players fold, Hero raises to $1.25, BTN calls $1.25, 2 players fold

Flop: ($3.25) Q♥ J♥ 4♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($3.25) 5♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($3.25) J♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Total pot: $3.25 (Rake: $0.16)

Showdown:
CO (Hero) shows K♥ T♦ (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 42%, Flop: 43%, Turn: 27%, River: 0%)

BU shows 9♦ A♥ (a pair of Jacks - higher kicker)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 58%, Flop: 57%, Turn: 73%, River: 100%)

BU wins $3.09





Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $107.70 (215 bb)
MP (Hero): $56.28 (113 bb)
CO: $203.95 (408 bb)
BU: $65.50 (131 bb)
SB: $63.21 (126 bb)
BB: $72.37 (145 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with K♣ J♦
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, 3 players fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75) J♥ T♥ 5♣ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.06, BB folds

Total pot: $2.75 (Rake: $0.13)
MP (Hero) wins $2.62





Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $198.36 (397 bb)
MP: $65.23 (130 bb)
CO: $81.94 (164 bb)
BU (Hero): $60.00 (120 bb)
SB: $60.00 (120 bb)
BB: $60.65 (121 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with 9♥ K♥
3 players fold, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75) 5♠ 6♥ 2♣ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.75) J♠ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.75) 9♦ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.06, BB folds

Total pot: $2.75 (Rake: $0.13)
BU (Hero) wins $2.62





Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $51.15 (102 bb)
MP: $122.07 (244 bb)
CO: $53.00 (106 bb)
BU: $55.75 (112 bb)
SB (Hero): $75.70 (151 bb)
BB: $74.98 (150 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with A♣ 9♣
4 players fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3) A♥ 3♠ K♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2.10, Hero calls $2.10

Turn: ($7.20) 7♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

River: ($7.20) 8♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Total pot: $7.20 (Rake: $0.36)

Showdown:
BB shows K♦ J♥ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 40%, Flop: 19%, Turn: 11%, River: 0%)

SB (Hero) shows A♣ 9♣ (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 60%, Flop: 81%, Turn: 89%, River: 100%)

SB (Hero) wins $6.84

I am not interested in hearing about my strategy or how I played because this is not why I am posting these. I'm simply making my case and providing evidence because at the end of the day, all the evidence is in the hand histories. A lot of it is up to interpretation. I just posted these and anyone can think what they want. I just hope that anyone who is thinking about playing on there, doesn't because it just goes to Phil Nagy.

Here are some other hands that I played and these are all hands that I played against "new" accounts that I had no history with. I found a lot of these popped more than usual because I had just quit playing against the "regulars" no matter how strong my hand was. It's like they saw me adjust and so they countered.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 0.50(BB)
HERO ($57) [VPIP: 21.4% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 36.1% | Flop Agg: 39.3% | Turn Agg: 35.7% | River Agg: 29.2% | 3-Bet: 8.1% | 4-Bet: 20.8% | Hands: 12037]
SB ($60.25) [VPIP: 18% | PFR: 9.9% | AGG: 28.6% | Hands: 114]
BB ($58.41) [VPIP: 27.3% | PFR: 24.1% | AGG: 30.6% | Hands: 286]
UTG ($77.62) [VPIP: 20.8% | PFR: 16.6% | AGG: 38.6% | Hands: 1190]
HJ ($78.15) [VPIP: 34% | PFR: 12.7% | AGG: 29.4% | Flop Agg: 17.6% | Turn Agg: 37.1% | River Agg: 43.5% | 3-Bet: 2.7% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 40.7% | Hands: 206]
CO ($67.11) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 4]

Dealt to Hero: 7 7

UTG Folds, HJ Calls $0.50, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $2, SB Folds, BB Folds, HJ Calls $1.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [11.58 effective]
Flop ($4.75): 3 5 7
HJ Checks, HERO Bets $3.56 (Rem. Stack: $51.44), HJ Calls $3.56 (Rem. Stack: $72.59)

Turn ($11.87): 3 5 7 9
HJ Checks, HERO Bets $8.90 (Rem. Stack: $42.54), HJ Raises To $72.59 (allin), HERO Calls $42.54 (allin)

River ($135.90): 3 5 7 9 Q

They aren't playing each other because it's pointless to play other regs. You, however, are a fish of the highest magnitude based on these hands so everyone is grabbing a seat as fast as they can. It's not really cheating, but rather table selecting.

whatever you say buddy. You can't see the player names so that throws your argument into the garbage.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 0.50(BB)
HERO ($57) [VPIP: 21.4% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 36.1% | Flop Agg: 39.3% | Turn Agg: 35.7% | River Agg: 29.2% | 3-Bet: 8.1% | 4-Bet: 20.8% | Hands: 12037]
SB ($60.25) [VPIP: 18% | PFR: 9.9% | AGG: 28.6% | Hands: 114]
BB ($58.41) [VPIP: 27.3% | PFR: 24.1% | AGG: 30.6% | Hands: 286]
UTG ($77.62) [VPIP: 20.8% | PFR: 16.6% | AGG: 38.6% | Hands: 1190]
HJ ($78.15) [VPIP: 34% | PFR: 12.7% | AGG: 29.4% | Flop Agg: 17.6% | Turn Agg: 37.1% | River Agg: 43.5% | 3-Bet: 2.7% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 40.7% | Hands: 206]
CO ($67.11) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 4]

Dealt to Hero: 7 7

UTG Folds, HJ Calls $0.50, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $2, SB Folds, BB Folds, HJ Calls $1.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [11.58 effective]
Flop ($4.75): 3 5 7
HJ Checks, HERO Bets $3.56 (Rem. Stack: $51.44), HJ Calls $3.56 (Rem. Stack: $72.59)

Turn ($11.87): 3 5 7 9
HJ Checks, HERO Bets $8.90 (Rem. Stack: $42.54), HJ Raises To $72.59 (allin), HERO Calls $42.54 (allin)

River ($135.90): 3 5 7 9 Q



Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 0.50(BB)
BTN ($100.85) [VPIP: 26.5% | PFR: 2.9% | AGG: 38.9% | Flop Agg: 37.5% | Turn Agg: 33.3% | River Agg: 50% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 33.3% | Hands: 35]
SB ($60.25) [VPIP: 20.8% | PFR: 17.3% | AGG: 40.9% | Hands: 499]
BB ($69.84) [VPIP: 20.3% | PFR: 17.8% | AGG: 32.5% | Hands: 789]
HERO ($137.43) [VPIP: 21.4% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 36.1% | Flop Agg: 39.3% | Turn Agg: 35.7% | River Agg: 29.2% | 3-Bet: 8.1% | 4-Bet: 20.8% | Hands: 12037]
HJ ($91.29) [VPIP: 23.3% | PFR: 17.3% | AGG: 27% | Hands: 429]
CO ($51.38) [VPIP: 22.3% | PFR: 20.8% | AGG: 40.4% | Hands: 401]

Dealt to Hero: A A

HERO Raises To $1.25, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Calls $1.25, SB Folds, BB Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [30.65 effective]
Flop ($3.25): J 5 Q
HERO Bets $2.43 (Rem. Stack: $133.75), BTN Calls $2.43 (Rem. Stack: $97.17)

Turn ($8.11): J 5 Q 2
HERO Bets $6.08 (Rem. Stack: $127.67), BTN Calls $6.08 (Rem. Stack: $91.09)

River ($20.27): J 5 Q 2 5
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $20.27 (Rem. Stack: $70.82), HERO Calls $20.27 (Rem. Stack: $107.40)



https://imgur.com/RmiXxhK

Here is my pocket AA stats

Dealt AA = 18 times and total amount lost is $211.30.

Kinda hard to lose money with pocket AA but not on WPN, this is pretty standard.

https://imgur.com/fAoafqu

Here is my pocket KK stats

Dealt KK = 15 times and total amount lost is $28.86

Again with WPN, nothing unusual here at all

Here are some other stats that is what I consider evidence

Dealt AK times and saw the flop 140 times

Flopped a pair 13 times or 9%, real % is supposed to be 30%

There's no need to see the names. In 14 years I have seen maybe 3 fish sitting alone waiting for action. It's always going to be winning regulars. And if someone sits as second it's either a fish or sometimes another reg who actually wants to play HU against bumhunters. In the former case people stay to play and the latter they leave.

So show proof that you play on the site. Anyone can see that something isn't right. Plus you are ignoring the only point I was making of how you made a claim that wasn't based on any fact which means you don't play on the site and you have no clue what you are talking about so you are obviously not a real person who plays on WPN but merely someone the mods or the site itself uses to pretend to be real players.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 0.50(BB)
BTN ($50) [VPIP: 23.4% | PFR: 19.5% | AGG: 23.4% | Hands: 423]
HERO ($124.12) [VPIP: 21.4% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 36.1% | Flop Agg: 39.3% | Turn Agg: 35.7% | River Agg: 29.2% | 3-Bet: 8.1% | 4-Bet: 20.8% | Cold Call: 10.2% | Hands: 12037]
BB ($50.75) [VPIP: 21.1% | PFR: 14.4% | AGG: 31.9% | Hands: 652]
UTG ($64.34) [VPIP: 19.5% | PFR: 16.8% | AGG: 33.8% | Flop Agg: 35.9% | Turn Agg: 30.8% | River Agg: 34% | 3-Bet: 7% | 4-Bet: 15.1% | Hands: 1979]
HJ ($71.58) [VPIP: 22.8% | PFR: 19.3% | AGG: 34.7% | Hands: 2006]
CO ($55.73) [VPIP: 21.7% | PFR: 18.7% | AGG: 20.5% | Hands: 582]

Dealt to Hero: 3 3

UTG Raises To $1, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Calls $0.75, BB Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [25.34 effective]
Flop ($2.50): 4 3 T
HERO Checks, UTG Checks

Turn ($2.50): 4 3 T 7
HERO Bets $1.87 (Rem. Stack: $121.25), UTG Raises To $6.33 (Rem. Stack: $57.01), HERO Raises To $21.49 (Rem. Stack: $101.63), UTG Calls $15.16 (Rem. Stack: $41.85)

River ($45.48): 4 3 T 7 9
HERO Bets $101.63 (allin), UTG Calls $41.85 (allin)



Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 0.50(BB)
HERO ($78.95) [VPIP: 21.4% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 36.1% | Flop Agg: 39.3% | Turn Agg: 35.7% | River Agg: 29.2% | 3-Bet: 8.1% | Fold to 3-Bet: 38.5% | 4-Bet: 20.8% | Hands: 12037]
SB ($43.73) [VPIP: 30% | PFR: 10% | AGG: 25% | Hands: 20]
BB ($60) [VPIP: 22.8% | PFR: 19.9% | AGG: 51.1% | Flop Agg: 76.2% | Turn Agg: 21.4% | River Agg: 41.7% | 3-Bet: 12% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 213]
UTG ($61.85) [VPIP: 20.2% | PFR: 15.1% | AGG: 19.2% | Hands: 350]
HJ ($135.34) [VPIP: 25.4% | PFR: 18.9% | AGG: 31.4% | Hands: 1148]
CO ($60.86) [VPIP: 21% | PFR: 13.3% | AGG: 32.7% | Hands: 186]

Dealt to Hero: K K

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $1.25, HERO Raises To $4.50, SB Folds, BB Raises To $11.75, CO Folds, HERO Calls $7.25

Hero SPR on Flop: [1.93 effective]
Flop ($25): 6 5 6
BB Bets $5.93 (Rem. Stack: $42.32), HERO Raises To $24.36 (Rem. Stack: $42.84), BB Raises To $48.25 (allin), HERO Calls $23.89 (Rem. Stack: $18.95)

Turn ($121.50): 6 5 6 T

River ($121.50): 6 5 6 T J



Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 0.50(BB)
BTN ($85.75) [VPIP: 24.2% | PFR: 17.9% | AGG: 31.7% | Flop Agg: 30.9% | Turn Agg: 36.3% | River Agg: 26.7% | 3-Bet: 9.1% | 4-Bet: 10.8% | Hands: 2170]
SB ($252.69) [VPIP: 24.2% | PFR: 20.1% | AGG: 31.6% | Hands: 690]
BB ($116.10) [VPIP: 36.8% | PFR: 15.8% | AGG: 16.7% | Hands: 19]
UTG ($50.68) [VPIP: 19.5% | PFR: 16.8% | AGG: 33.8% | Hands: 1979]
HERO ($75.89) [VPIP: 21.4% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 36.1% | Flop Agg: 39.3% | Turn Agg: 35.7% | River Agg: 29.2% | 3-Bet: 8.1% | Fold to 3-Bet: 38.5% | 4-Bet: 20.8% | Hands: 12037]
CO ($41.26) [VPIP: 38.5% | PFR: 11.5% | AGG: 31.6% | Flop Agg: 48.7% | Turn Agg: 17.4% | River Agg: 11.8% | 3-Bet: 8.5% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 39% | Hands: 128]

Dealt to Hero: K K

UTG Raises To $1, HERO Raises To $4.50, CO Calls $4.50, BTN Raises To $19, SB Folds, BB Folds, UTG Folds, HERO Calls $14.50, CO Calls $14.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [0.38 effective]
Flop ($58.75): 3 6 A
HERO Checks, CO Checks, BTN Bets $22 (Rem. Stack: $44.75), HERO Raises To $56.89 (allin), CO Calls $22.26 (allin), BTN Folds

Turn ($159.90): 3 6 A 2

River ($159.90): 3 6 A 2 7



My thought process here was that I knew the cutoff didn't have an ace and I figured the button was just making a c-bet and his c-bet in 3-bet pots was 100%. I also block A-K and the button had a high squeeze % as well as a high 3-bet from the button % so I didn't think either one had an ace which is why I shoved.

I changed my HUD stats this time around as well and found some really strange things that when put together don't make sense. For example, I really was looking for W$SD combined with WTSD + fold river + river call effeciency. If someone has a really high river call effeciency then they would have to be folding a ton of rivers. I found many players in my database that this was not the case. One had a RCE of 5.1, a W$SD of 70, and a fold river % of 29 over a sample size of over 1,000 hands. Seems another weird stat combo that doesn't make a lot of sense.

Ok I sat down at blitz 0.25/0.50 heads up. I'm sitting with 125$ and am the only player there. Join me.

ok give me one second. I'll have to make a deposit but I see now that there are 4 players there.

Click on the link I gave, https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=90440, and you will see " Thread: The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition" in the top right of the page that opens.

Click on "The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition" and the thread will open at your post, whereupon you can read others' posts in relation to it.

There is no thread title above your post in the opened thread, which means it was transferred there from another thread, where you received your (only) Warning. It was given for your "rigged derail", presumably in the ACR thread.

To see https://imgur.com/ZQ0PLoe you are probably trying to open from your Warning PM or somewhere else, but not from the link given in my post, above. It's not rocket science to be able to click on a link to a TPT post provided for you.

I all ready told you. They pay me to do it.

Seriously though. I'm bored. I mod this section of the forum and I'm engaging you. Isn't that why you posted?

This is definitely not evidence.

It was well played by villain. The 2 on the river isn't a scare card, it ****s his two pair hand. Betting the river is stupid as you would only get called by a better hand and worse hands would fold. That's poker 101. I hope you know it.

I did not read the rest of your hands. Not if the above hand is your evidence of "proof".

This is a clear example of obvious cheating. First of all preflop is already pretty weird, villain defends Q8s from the big blind vs a 2.5x CO raise. I mean IDK, that is really suspicious don't you think?

Then when he flops the 3rd nut flush, he raises. I've played thousands of hours of poker and have never seen anyone who wasn't a cheater play like this before. The only reason I can think of why he would raise because he knows hero has AA, a normal player would of course just call or fold at this point because they should be afraid hero has a higher flush.

The turn and river of course just gets weirder, vlilain keeps betting and risks over 100bb with the 3rd nuts. Personally I would only make this play with the nut flush, I can kind of see a case for doing it with 2nd nut flush, but going all in with 3rd nut flush it is pretty much guaranteed proof of villain being a superuser. Hero obviously has to call with his 1 pair no spade blocker because there are more hands that he beats than loses to here as long as we know that villain is a superuser and will probably bluff at 100% frequency if he doesn't have the best hand.

@tilter29:

i do not want to hurt your feelings but the hands you brought only prooves that you are a really weak player (as i expected from the earlier brought evidences).

from the hands and the thought processes you wrote it is very clear that you have no clue about handreading or about ranges.

i suggest you to study more if you didn't not want to loose more money, otherwise if you could afford it just keep playing and have fun!!

i wish you the bset and GL whatever way you choose!

That's exactly right, I clicked on the link that was in my message because I was talking about the warning I recieved and obviously wasn't talking about your post that had a different link. If I click on a link and get an error then that means that it got moved or deleted. Which was my point. You make a condescending remark about me not being able to click on a link but I wasn't talking about your link and because you give me a different link than the one I was originally given then that obviously means that it was moved. Which again was my point. Not rocket science and if you want to start trading insults then go troll someone else.

Thanks for the comment and I appreciate the feedback. What you say could be true but also might not be. I don't claim to be a great player and have always said I'm trying to learn. In order for me to know, I need you to be more specific. What about my thought process? What hand? etc.

I didn't make the title of this thread about super users, the mods did that. I said the site is rigged in a different thread and they moved it here. So these hands are not me trying to prove super users, I am trying to show it being rigged. Whatever way it happens I don't know.

I will still give you some information captain hindsight as this might make it more clear but I know you already have your mind made up and I guarantee you that you don't play there. I promise you that you don't play there. If you don't play on there and don't want to have a reasonable discussion then probably shouldn't troll and should just move along.

Here are some stats to put it in perspective:

Flop a flush = 1 in 119

Being dealt pocket aces twice within one full ring orbit 0.0722% (close to 1 in 12)

AA vs Q8 = 81% favorite % AA vs JJ = 80%
Odds of losing twice in a row is 0.04%

What's more likely? These statistical improbabilities just happen to happen randomly or maybe the site is rigged. Since this is routine at WPN then I'm going with rigged.

Also, what you don't know from just a couple of HH, is that I started to play differently by regardless of my cards, not playing a pot against the house bots or house regs that are impossible to beat in a pot. After I started to do this then a flood of new accounts just happened to show up at my tables. Just a coincedence though right? Then I was still playing super super tight and I never put a chip in the pot unless I had a hand. Then these players started showing up and limping on the button when I was in the BB. Trying to get me to see a flop and cooler me that way because I was folding so often. Nothing weird here. Nope.

I thought you were trolling me but wasn't sure but now I know that you are and that you are just a jerk. You can't even answer the question, so your comments will be ignored and I will not read them.

?

I answered your question. What are you on about?

I guess I'll wait for you to post some evidence.

Oh, you're trolling me. I get it.

"Close" yeah, maths champion.

This thread was aids but manages to become worst each day...

No I don't, why would I play on a site with superusers when there are plenty of other options?