I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this or not but I am convinced that there are super users on WPN. I was playing some of the short tables and was getting frustrated that every bluff failed and the insane coolers that were happening and how I never got action on my good hands and always was getting raised on my bluffs. Today I tried to play assuming that they can see my cards. It all checked out and the way they play their hands made sense if they can see mine. For example, I raised w / 7-3 offsuit to test it and the bb called, the flop came K-T-2 and he checked, I c-bet, he min raised. So I figured he didn't have a hand but knew I had 7-3 so I raised and he folded. Then the next hand I have J-2 and raise and again the same player called on the button. Flop came K-4-7 and I c-bet and he raised, I then called. The turn was a Q and he checks, and I check and then river is an A, he checks again and I check and he had the 8-4.

I playing a couple more hands with this in mind and it all checks out. Almost every hand they are playing based on my cards, and not theirs. I can't believe I didn't see this sooner. It's so obvious now. I'm taking my money off the site immediately. This was a regular table and not Blitz.

Is there anyone else who plays cashgames that has a database to look at? I am going through my HH to run some filters to see if there are super users. First thing I did was run AA, KK, QQ and I was dealt these 65 times, I faced a 3 bet preflop only twice. Both of those times I had QQ and they had AK. I then looked at other hands and they almost all check out. I had AA, he had KK, he called my 3-bet pre and did not 4-bet. My bluffs on the river almost always fail. They always check to me with a hand when I have air and always bet into me when I have middle/bottom pair. They almost always know the perfect play and bet size and I play small stakes. I wonder how many are actual real accounts.

I wanted to test this out some to be sure so I played a $1/$2 table and every hand plays out as if they can see my cards. I had KK in the BB twice and he folded each time and then I got QQ on the button and he 3-bet and he had AK. Then I made a flush on the turn on a different hand and bet $2 into a $16 after he 3-bet preflop and cb the flop and then folded instantly. Then another hand I raise with 9-6 of spades and he 3-bet me and I called and flopped a flush. He (you guessed it) check folded. Then I had A-7 offsuit, got called and board ran out was 9-9-8-8-2 and on the river he checked and I bet $2 and he shoved all in and I called and he had the same hand as me. Why would someone shove w/ A high on that board instead of call a min bet? Because they can see my cards so they can probably see yours too.

This also explains why the only pots that I have won on that site are from me calling river bluffs w/ marginal weak hands or when I had the worst hand preflop and sucked out. If I have a hand they all fold and if I'm bluffing they call or raise. I'm going through all my hands and it appears obvious to me now.

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why? I just figured it out and now that I know it during the game, it's even more obvious. Do you not play on WPN? Or are you one of them?

this 2 case explains everything!!!
you got no clue about NLHE.

you telling me he knows you have 7hi on KT2 and folds to your 3b
then you bet/calling with Jhi on K74 and shocked you got beat. i am not saying that the xr is best play w 84 but i can assure you that xr with bottom pair is way better play then calling w Jhi

pls stop BS-ing and have a nice day!

I knew it wouldn’t be long and the first reply would be from someone defending the cheaters. Why are you thinking that I was playing the right strategy? I was testing them and every time I did it never failed. Do you play on WPN? Or are you one of them? Why wouldn’t you want to know if it is true? It has been done before obviously and obviously WPN has more smoke around them but people like you say there is no fire. I don’t get that. Why do you discredit and talk about strategy when it was obvious that I was only testing to see what they would do. Another test I started is raising with 7-2. I’ve done it 3 times and have been 3 bet by one of the accounts I suspect three times. When I had AA, KK, QQ I only faced a 3-bet 2 times out of 65. Each one of those was when I had QQ and they had AK. These aren’t normal games. Occasionally people make the wrong call on the river, occasional someone will bluff at the wrong pot. So when I never see these players do that and every time I make a hand they fold no matter how I play it. How can you say that it isn’t strange? Maybe you and Mike Postle are buddies and you think that everyone who lost to him just plays bad. The only time he lost is people making bad calls on the river. Those are the only pots I’ve ever won worth anything is making a crying call because I was sick of the other playing doing exactly what you don’t want them to do. It will drive you crazy when you play a lot and it constantly happens. You probably don’t play online. Instead of being a troll why don’t we work together to bring down these cheaters? That’s what the best thing we can do as a poker community is work together and not hold these sites accountable. I don’t get why you would instantly defend something you know nothing about.

I have no clue about NLHE? Well then this is going to be like Christmas for you my friend. If you think that I am cluess when it comes to NLHE then put your money with your mouth is. I will play you for $10,000 heads up. We can play whatever stakes you want to play, and you can pick the site. I promise you that you won't take me up on this but I'm serious and let me know if you want to and let's play. Then we will see if you are making that same statement.

I don't care if I am the only that takes this seriously but now that I see it, it's so obvious. I have color coded these accounts while playing and every test that I have tested out on them. They have failed. They have made the exact correct move based on my hand. Everytime. This isn't possible, even if you are Phil ****ing Ivey. These cock suckers are too greedy and that's going to do them in and if I have to do it myself. I am going to do everything in my power to get to the bottom of this and I will find the proof. I know the truth and I know what they are doing but I have no proof other than they are perfect poker players who never make a mistake. What threw me off was the HUD stats. Because most of their stats match up. Then I figured out there a bunch of them and they work together. My guess is they are employees of WPN or whoever Phil Nagy gave the super user passwords to. How can the same players never lose a hand? How can they always make the exact correct bet size? How can they always make the exact right play? That's only possible if they cheat and if the site is ****ing rigged which it is. It's not about winning or losing. It's how the hands play out. You can really tell when you play against a real person and when you are playing against one of these house accounts. These accounts also never play against each other. I can predict what they do before they do it. So either I can see the future (which I can't) or these people are cheating. We need to work together as a community to get these cheating pieces of ****.

Hopefully you accept my challenge and we can work out all the details when you respond. But you won't ...

...he will if he's a superuser...

This makes no sense, if he could see your cards he wouldve called you down or raised again against your 7-3, not folded.

@tilter29:

i like the fact your nickname fits your character

well i never said there are no shenanigans on WPN.
only told that the spots you brought are proving they are not superusers!! there were some post deleted in which you metioned another case which also shows they are not superusers:
or if they are superusers not very smart at all because 3 betting when knowingly being behing in EQ is really poor decision

unfortunately i do not have the BR to take the challenge in a format i've never played. sry mate! u can call me puss if it makes you feel better

You're actually making some good points that there aren't superusers.

he called me with jack high!!!

I hate to even dignify your responses because I know that they will not matter. JUST IN CASE IN ANYONE DOES READ THIS WHO ISN'T A SCHILL AND ISN'T IN ON THE SCAM. I WAS NOT PLAYING IN A WAY THAT I THOUGHT WAS OPTIMAL!!! I WAS TESTING THEM AND I CALLED THEM WITH JACK HIGH BECAUSE I WANTED TO SEE HIS HAND NOT BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD! I MENTIONED THAT BEFORE AND IT WAS IGNORED BECAUSE THE FACT THIS POST GOT MOVED TO ITS OWN THREAD YOU ARE ALL GOING TO USE ME AS THE PERSON TO MOCK AND RIDICULE TO KEEP THE SCAM GOING.

It's good to know the fake account schills are in full effect and I expected nothing less. You are all in on the scam and I don't know which one of you are any real people. You are paid to discredit anyone who makes a claim and they are dismissed and ridiculed. I don't care what anyone says I know that WPN is a crooked rigged site. I also know that since the mods here at 2 + 2 gave me a warning the last time I brought this up. You guys must really think I'm that dumb. You move my post and give it more attention so that you can set up these fake accounts and have it look as though I'm a crazy idiot. I didn't know that 2 + 2 would be in on the scam. I own a lot of 2 + 2 books and always thought that you guys were the industry leader in the community and where the community could gather and discuss hands and expose cheaters etc. I didn't know that this was just a joke and a scam. I must have been the last one to know.

Everything in poker is a scam, and there are accounts on WSOP.com that are superusers as well. I have the proof but nobody cares about the proof because you are in on it. Scamming honest people out of their money and you got me. You fooled me and had me going for a while.

If there is anyone who is reading this who isn't in on the scam, please listen to me and don't put a nickel on wsop.com, winning poker network, or any online poker site because they are all scams. They are full of cheaters and super users and UB just is one that got exposed. There are others that haven't got caught. They don't get caught because of horrible people that run forums like this. Their job is to discredit anyone who makes a claim that it's rigged and to give the naive a false sense of hope or trust in these poker sites. Don't make the same mistake I did and do not put another cent on these sites because you will lose because these sites all have super users that are stealing your money.

Do you also think that the election was stolen from Trump and that the earth is flat?

They either know what cards are coming or they or they can just choose their hand or it automatically picks a hand that is better than yours. You explain how nobody ever made a call against me on the river, every bluff I tried failed. I don't know why you decided to be a cheater and on the side of someone who cheats but it's too bad. I would think a real person who plays poker on these sites would want to know the truth.

He didn't and I knew he wouldn't because nobody who defends these sites actually plays on them. They either feel better about themselves by being part of the crowd to mock someone and even though he said he's never played this game type, sure seems weird for him to have an opinion about it. I know I wouldn't tell someone that a hand of Omaha or Stud was played poorly and that's because I don't know how to play those games so I don't form strong opinions about them.

Is there anyone who goes to this forum who is an actual real person? Or is this just full of scammers trying to steal people's money? I just have a tough time believing that if anyone was real that you wouldn't want to know or at least consider it. I am going to post some HH that I have and if there are any real people out there who are interested then I hope I can at least stop one more person from being scammed like I was.

I'm not a real person. I think?

Too many words OP. Try writing two sentences next time. No one is reading all that.

https://www.helpguide.org/articles/m...y-disorder.htm

You forgot to mention this one again:

The discovery of another superuser after the infamous UB/AP findings of nearly 14 years ago will be extremely major news in the online poker world.

You really should post your proof without mocking and abusing other players, who will without doubt laud you if you turn out to be the first one to realise what is actually going on in our game.

I get paid a lot of money to post thousands of times a year on other related topics, to once every 2 years tell someone they are an idiot for thinking online poker is rigged when they provide two hands that don't actually prove superusers, but in fact prove that the opponent they were playing weren't superusers.

Okay, serious time.

Why would he fold if he is a superuser when he almost certainly had the better hand?


If he is a superuser, why would he not bluff the river knowing you had Jack high?

I'm being levelled here aren't I?

Hi Mike,

What went wrong for you to end up in BBV?