This guy has $41k in profit... Is this like a legitimate value line with 3rd pair? 3/4 on the turn? (River notwithstanding)

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 500/1,000 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 34.31 BB (VPIP: 19.06, PFR: 15.53, 3Bet Preflop: 9.24, Hands: 474)
BB: 78.49 BB (VPIP: 32.35, PFR: 14.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
UTG: 13.76 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
UTG+1: 30.92 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 8)
MP: 37.67 BB (VPIP: 14.71, PFR: 12.12, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 34)
MP+1: 13.08 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
CO: 29.92 BB (VPIP: 25.24, PFR: 20.71, 3Bet Preflop: 14.86, Hands: 207)
Hero (BTN): 16.8 BB

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has 8 7

fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 2.2 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.2 BB

Flop: (5.9 BB, 2 players) K Q T
BB checks, CO bets 2.44 BB, BB calls 2.44 BB

Turn: (10.78 BB, 2 players) 8
BB checks, CO bets 6 BB, BB calls 6 BB

River: (22.78 BB, 2 players) T
BB checks, CO bets 19.16 BB and is all-in, BB calls 19.16 BB

BB shows J T (Three of a Kind, Tens)
(Pre 31%, Flop 31%, Turn 17%)
CO shows T A (Three of a Kind, Tens)
(Pre 69%, Flop 69%, Turn 83%)
CO wins 61.1 BB

Looks like hes trying to get a queen to fold. Turn is not for value..

Why bet flop then?

What am I missing? Looks like two LAGs chasing a straight draw with a set. What part of the hand suggests superuser?

he's getting value from any Jx suited hand and has a gut shot. He only gets wrecked if he gets raised. He probably checks back river unimproved.

Im not tourney expert but I think j5 suited + is calling pre for that price 30bb deep.

I guess that makes sense... shows what I know.

To me it just looks like he's getting ultra thin value on 2 streets. Aren't there many worse hands to bluff with here than 3rd pair TK?...

I would worry more about players who seem to always 2x pot on river when you are at the top of your range.. like 2nd nuts top of your range.

No your wrong. Your in BB he knows ur range is weak and mostly weighted towards weak one paired hands at best. Meanwhile he can have all the straights, two pairs and sets here. He's trying to get you off a pair.

Yes but why not bluff here with Jx, Ax, or even our backdoor flushes? I guess the topic of this thread is changing... but why not check flop and bluff catch TR? It's not like villain's range is super capped. Can't a reasonable BB flatting range still have some 2 pairs and straights? Especially versus a CO open (compared to a BTN open).

opening this thread makes me feel superused

Im thinking of silver surfer

op,

you are an idiot

/thread

Why would he need to be a superuser if you willingly call it off with bottom pair?

In case you missed it... I'm not even in this hand.

Okay I agree this isn't a strong case for cheating on ACR. It seemed suspicious to me based on how I'd play the hand out, so I thought I'd ask opinions. Even a fish bets flop and checks turn here.

No need to be a dick, that's just a reflection on you, not me.

Have you seen your mum in supergirl costume?

Very nice and soft, real superuser

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Ooh you two sure showed me.

I just changed my New Years resolution. I now want to waste a huge amount of time making 10k+ forum posts, with a considerable amount of them being an *******. Can't wait to see where that brings me in life.

OP,

You've provided an absolutely terrible example of a superuser.

It was so bad that the mods in the forum you posted it moved it to a section of the forum (BBV) that is all about trolling bad threads.

I'm sorry you made a terrible thread. It's okay, we've all been there (except me obviously). You will survive.

FYI, here is another hand from the same player. River shove makes some sense, but at the same time it feels awfully coincidental.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 150/300 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 42.34 BB (VPIP: 22.10, PFR: 16.73, 3Bet Preflop: 7.66, Hands: 107)
UTG: 53.5 BB (VPIP: 31.03, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 29)
UTG+1: 33.2 BB (VPIP: 20.45, PFR: 16.09, 3Bet Preflop: 12.12, Hands: 89)
MP: 25.58 BB (VPIP: 24.60, PFR: 15.57, 3Bet Preflop: 10.87, Hands: 127)
MP+1: 27.37 BB (VPIP: 19.72, PFR: 10.79, 3Bet Preflop: 3.39, Hands: 143)
CO: 106.28 BB (VPIP: 21.88, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
BTN: 40.77 BB (VPIP: 26.38, PFR: 21.15, 3Bet Preflop: 15.00, Hands: 164)
Hero (SB): 14.35 BB

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.57 BB) Hero has 3 7

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.25 BB, fold, BB calls 1.25 BB

Flop: (6.07 BB, 2 players) 9 7 J
BB checks, BTN bets 2.13 BB, BB calls 2.13 BB

Turn: (10.33 BB, 2 players) 5
BB checks, BTN bets 6 BB, BB calls 6 BB

River: (22.33 BB, 2 players) Q
BB checks, BTN bets 30.39 BB and is all in, BB calls 30.39 BB

BB shows 9 Q (Two Pair, Queens and Nines)
(Pre 62%, Flop 5%, Turn 0%)
BTN shows 8 T (Straight, Queen High)
(Pre 38%, Flop 95%, Turn 100%)
BTN wins 83.11 BB

Yep. Silly bastard for betting every street with a straight when someone is willing to call with second pair.

I get that now, but if I didn't post the hand and ask for opinions, I would've just sat around and wondered. Yes, the title was a terrible choice. It was late and I was tired. (In fact, if you're able as a mod, could you change it to something else? Or even delete this thread tbh)

I'm not paranoid that everyone's a bot or that poker is rigged, I've just heard some things recently about ACR that sketched me out. I figured it was worthwhile to bring up a suspicion.

Was specifically referring to the river overshove.

If you think the two hands you provided are evidence of a superuser. You are probably paranoid. Just because a player doesn't play a hand exactly like you would, doesn't mean they are a superuser.

If you think ACR is sketchy, why do you want to play there?

He wants to be superused...

Genetics

On a scale of 1 to **** FranFran, I'm probably a solid 2.5. It is still surprising to me to see a winning reg double barrel bottom pair in that spot, and it's not correct according to Snowie (admittedly not the best analysis tool). Optimal line is checking most of the time, or checking turn if betting the flop. I also don't "think they're evidence," I just found them suspicious.

Why play on ACR? I mainly don't. But there aren't many legal sites where I live. Even if I knew for a fact that there were cheaters and botters--of which there almost certainly are--I'd still have a decent winrate there and no better options. (That's why ACR staff doesn't do anything about bots, etc., acc. Mr. Ingram)

In fact, I was playing on there quite a bit until the whole DDoS thing went off. I played on another site for a while, but there wasn't enough volume.

1- paranoid scale doesnt exist you idiot