Insane Cash game pot in a private 1,3 Cash game in Toronto lol 9 K pre with J4 off T9 off KK vs AQ S

I've seen wilder games at your moms house

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Certainly fake and certainly gay.

Also can’t see anything anyways.

Overall , F-

pictures of everyone's wife if not -> fake

You can't really see anything in this video...

One of the problems with defining "the abyss" is that you don't know when you are in it. Most players (especially live) just haven't played enough hands to understand what it is. I had a friend lately tell me he was in the abyss since he lost for a month straight live playing two days a week. I politely reminded him that I hope he doesn't really enter it since there could be no definition of this word that would include 8-10 sessions.

Here is what I think the "abyss" is: When you have run so bad that you can't imagine running any worse. Then, at this very point, you START really running bad. I agree with others that many people don't even make it out. That isn't really a huge shock to any of us who play large volume online and are properly rolled. Everyone live plays so under rolled and they lose 50k at 10/20 and they are shaking their heads like some kind of heroic downswing just struck them. 10-15 BI DAYS are super std so 25 BI downer is hardly something that should lead to "abyss" term getting thrown out.

The thing about this (it is all made up anyway) is that there are ways to run bad that some people never understand or experience. I have had several 80 BI below EV "downswings." This actually just resulted in less winning but it was still super brutal. This is easy to understand and quantify though since you just did your job. You got the money in good and still lost. HEM records this and you can post your graphs in your buddies' skype box and everyone pretends to care (some actually do) but mostly they are just praying it won't happen to them. This type of losing, in a way, is easier to understand since you know it isn't your play and that the lack factor just dropped a giant deuce on your grill.

My most recent trip to the abyss was more insidious and difficult to understand. My AIEV isn't off and there is so much constant head shaking and introspection as to why the winning isn't happening. So when you go and look deeper, here is a list of things you might not have considered but are often the cause of decreased winning.

1. The typical (non DGAF) NL player will have AA account for as much winning as their lifetime total of all other hands combined. It turns out this is pretty significant and the usual win rate is around 1000bb/100. When you start winning a lot less than that you are going to have problems. This means people flop sets against you or otherwise make the best hand at an alarmingly high freq. This happened to me

2. You repeatedly get 2 outed by reasonable peels and the money goes in dead. ie we 3b KK and bet bet bet Q34T7. The in postion player snaps TTT. This happened to me.

3. You get 5 outed by unreasonable peels. yep also me

4a. This one is my current most significant problem. When I finally catch a "lucky card" I do so when up against the nuts. I call 77 in position and call 823r. Turn is a 7 and then money goes in and I am up against 888.

4b Whenever you have a draw that you play aggressively, you miss. That is compounded by when you play a draw passively you also miss. Unless, you happen to be up against a bigger competing draw and then you hit that **** like your life depended on it 100% of the time to get stacked by the bigger draw. still me

5. You are just dealt way more big pairs when others have bigger pairs

6. You flop fewer sets than you should

7. When you flop sets you are up against bigger sets or draws that get home.

8. I am getting tired of writing this post so I will stop it here. This one is the single biggest factor that can be very difficult to quantify. When you finally have something good, the ****ing board train wrecks and any hope you had of getting value is lost.

9 Ok one more. This one is also hard to understand. But, when so much of your results is based on a few hands, one decision by anyone can snowball your results in the wrong direction. I had one deep stacked the other day where I defended my BB with 35s and the flop was A24. The in position player had AAA. He decided to check back for deception. BET THE FLOP YOU ****. So if he just bets, stacks often go in on the flop. But he didn't and the board an out A2456 4f and I got 1 street.

When all of these start to happen at the same time. You are in the abyss. This is what 150k+ hand breakeven stretches are for winning players. If you look at that for 25 hand/hr poker, you get 6k hours. Yes you guys have bigger win rates live but if this happens it will still break almost everyone. I hope none of you have to endure it.