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06-03-2023 , 03:11 PM
I seriously just dont even know what to do anymore. These are all my hands since starting playing poker last year. I run so bad that I really can't comprehend it. I've spent so much time on getting better and learning GTO other strategy concepts etc... Im obsessed with the game itself and spend an insane amount of time on it. Ill admit my first 40k hands online I was pretty awful and obviously there were some learning curves. Over the last 10k hands I'm winning at around 13BB/100 but still was down money for the sample. What can I do to get out of this negative mindset, I love the game but this is just hard to comprehend. How have I been able to run this bad for so long and how is this the only sample I've been able to get ever. You can see the gap between EV and All in EV on the graph never once got closer. Every session I've ever played in my life I have run this bad losing a buyin in EV every 1000 hands. I have nobody that supports me playing poker my family hates it and they think that nobody can be a winning player in poker, think im insane for continuing to play and think I'm some degen. My journey has just been so rough I would appreciate some advice or anything to get my confidence up.
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06-03-2023 , 03:12 PM
These are my last 10k
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06-03-2023 , 04:00 PM
**** you
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06-03-2023 , 04:05 PM
y
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06-03-2023 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FranFran
**** you
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06-04-2023 , 12:41 AM
Are you related to Bumpy Balls?
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06-04-2023 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
Are you related to Bumpy Balls?
What n tarnation is that
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06-04-2023 , 05:29 AM
Have you looked at some samples of win rates? I would suspect that you seem to be getting it in preflop and flipping and your postflop Strat isn’t the strongest. Generally this type of play produce these types of graphs.
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06-04-2023 , 10:16 AM
50k hands is not a large sample. You wrote that you were awful during the first 40k hands. You possibly turned that around, which is good. But 10k hands is just a tiny sample. The solution might just be to get in more volume (without playing awfully, of course) and reevaluate after another 50k hands.
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06-04-2023 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Koshko
Have you looked at some samples of win rates? I would suspect that you seem to be getting it in preflop and flipping and your postflop Strat isn’t the strongest. Generally this type of play produce these types of graphs.
I’ve looked at a bunch of samples and even for a player with a 0bb/100 win rate this is still a bottom 5% run. I do agree that maybe I’m flipping too much preflop and on the flop which could result in more variance but I almost never shove preflop and if I do it’s always with a premium QQ+. I do exploit jam on some draw heavy flops but I don’t think it should influence variance that much. Could you maybe explain more of what would be causing me to flip for equity. Could I find evidence of this in my poker tracker? Would my standard deviation be higher than most?
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06-04-2023 , 11:41 AM
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06-12-2023 , 10:49 PM
I normally don't give free advice but judging from this graph you seem to be a losing player. Start winning more so the graph will get positive again.
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06-13-2023 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by orb_dam_u
I normally don't give free advice but judging from this graph you seem to be a losing player. Start winning more so the graph will get positive again.
Are you really so ignorant of basic concepts of probability that you can’t understand the difference between EV and results even when it’s displayed this clearly?

OP is almost exactly breakeven in AIEV over the entire sample with a clear upward trend over the last half, so the most logical conclusion would be that he’s probably a slightly winning player right now. Of course the sample is small enough that you can’t draw any sort of strong conclusion at all, but declaring that this graph shows he’s a losing player (in the sense that his true WR is <0) shows no understanding of how poker or probability in general works.
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06-13-2023 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SketchyBalls
I’ve looked at a bunch of samples and even for a player with a 0bb/100 win rate this is still a bottom 5% run. I do agree that maybe I’m flipping too much preflop and on the flop which could result in more variance but I almost never shove preflop and if I do it’s always with a premium QQ+. I do exploit jam on some draw heavy flops but I don’t think it should influence variance that much. Could you maybe explain more of what would be causing me to flip for equity. Could I find evidence of this in my poker tracker? Would my standard deviation be higher than most?
Minimizing variance is not something you should put any effort toward. You should just try to maximize your true win rate by getting better.

You ran horrifically badly in AIEV over your sample. There’s not much else to say or think about regarding that. It has no bearing on your future results and there’s no logical reason to make any changes to your strategy based on that.
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06-13-2023 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Wumpy
Are you really so ignorant of basic concepts of probability that you can’t understand the difference between EV and results even when it’s displayed this clearly?

OP is almost exactly breakeven in AIEV over the entire sample with a clear upward trend over the last half, so the most logical conclusion would be that he’s probably a slightly winning player right now. Of course the sample is small enough that you can’t draw any sort of strong conclusion at all, but declaring that this graph shows he’s a losing player (in the sense that his true WR is <0) shows no understanding of how poker or probability in general works.

In poker you either win or you lose. He's losing. Deal with it.
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06-13-2023 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by orb_dam_u
In poker you either win or you lose.
Objectively false. You can also chop.
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06-15-2023 , 03:07 PM
I just ask what is EV for pokeroom to keep all those 60+vpip donkeys to play longer in artificial way. It's preety much 3 in 1: you gain more rake, you stimulate action, as without plankton ecosystem not exist and you make fish playing longer and possibly deposit more over time. 1mln hands and EV not flatting.... sure variance
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06-21-2023 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Wumpy
Minimizing variance is not something you should put any effort toward. You should just try to maximize your true win rate by getting better.

You ran horrifically badly in AIEV over your sample. There’s not much else to say or think about regarding that. It has no bearing on your future results and there’s no logical reason to make any changes to your strategy based on that.
Thanks man. I’m busto right now but once I get a roll I’m going to be the next isuldur. It’s just crazy to me that it happened in only 50k hands I think this might be the worse all in ev to ev graph on this site no other posts show a graph as bad, just based on the rate that I was losing at. 1 buyin lost in EV every 1000 hands doesn’t even make sense yet it happened to me.
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06-21-2023 , 03:42 PM
And it’s even funnier that on the graph you can see evidence that at no point during the entire sample did I run above EV not even for one session. Just feels like a **** you from the poker gods.
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06-21-2023 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SketchyBalls
And it’s even funnier that on the graph you can see evidence that at no point during the entire sample did I run above EV not even for one session. Just feels like a **** you from the poker gods.
You seem to be really fixated on that EV graph. You might want to stop complaining now, and move on. Feeling sorry for yourself isn't going to help.
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06-21-2023 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheep86
You seem to be really fixated on that EV graph. You might want to stop complaining now, and move on. Feeling sorry for yourself isn't going to help.
I have I’m just pointing out that it might be the worst of all time. I can’t find a worse graph on here. Either way Idc I’m confident in my game and I’ll be back at 1/2 in a couple weeks.
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06-27-2023 , 06:26 PM
Look at your redline. Then go study preflop ranges and learn about the importance of position..

Your redline indicates that your issue is not that you are running bad, your issue is that you are playing poorly.

A redline like yours usually indicates that you are making consistent bad decisions pre flop and you are getting pushed around on the flop and turn.

Often the mistakes being made by players like you can be corrected without too much pain or effort. A little bit of study can go a long way towards improving on what are probably simple errors.
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06-27-2023 , 06:55 PM
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I have I’m just pointing out that it might be the worst of all time. I can’t find a worse graph on here. Either way Idc I’m confident in my game and I’ll be back at 1/2 in a couple weeks.
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06-28-2023 , 07:45 AM
Alright listen up.

It’s understandable that you’re frustrated after working for a year on poker with nothing to show for it.

But stop blaming bad fortune. Poker is not easy as a career and I’m not sure what you were expecting. 50BI under ev is so ****ing standard that I think there’s a 50% chance this is just a troll post.

You should be making so much ev that 50BI below is not a big deal. Stop fooling yourself and acknowledge that you suck and need to really step up your game and quit.

Run bad is not the issue here. You suck at poker. Work on it or quit and please act like a man from now on and don’t go complaining about running a bit under ev.
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07-04-2023 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by crimsonchin
Alright listen up.

It’s understandable that you’re frustrated after working for a year on poker with nothing to show for it.

But stop blaming bad fortune. Poker is not easy as a career and I’m not sure what you were expecting. 50BI under ev is so ****ing standard that I think there’s a 50% chance this is just a troll post.

You should be making so much ev that 50BI below is not a big deal. Stop fooling yourself and acknowledge that you suck and need to really step up your game and quit.

Run bad is not the issue here. You suck at poker. Work on it or quit and please act like a man from now on and don’t go complaining about running a bit under ev.
I literally pointed that out I know I sucked but it’s still a pretty bad run. I’m winning 10bb/100 online now on zoom over last 20k hands. I don’t suck ******* if u want to play heads up I’m here for it, I’ll take all ur money. I know 50bb under ev is very possible but for it to be the only thing I’ve ever experienced is obv frustrating. Also note this is only a 50k hand sample pls show me a point in ur career where u have ran this bad under ev in 50k hands
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