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**** 30k hands in a day + profit on 200nl 6m prop bet*** [See confessions of cheating. MH] **** 30k hands in a day + profit on 200nl 6m prop bet*** [See confessions of cheating. MH]

03-16-2010 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dxu05
No webcam wtf? Most of these people are taking a bet due to past track record, being unable to prove it's you playing and not zachvac for 30k hands is a pretty big deal.
Who is zachvac? Also if he were to get someone to play the 30k hands for him, unless the bettors know what gary looks like won't it be kind of ineffective for verification?
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03-16-2010 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Barewire
7. There is no restriction on who can sit at his tables, but any suspicious activity (i.e. stalling) will be noted and dealt with by appointed judges. All bettors must provide their pokerstars screen name so that judges may monitor their activity on Gary's tables. Any bettor who is determined to have stalled significantly will void the bet.
Who are the judges, what is their criteria for determining stalls, and what are the remedies? Time added?
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03-16-2010 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Merlinius
- you should state that all hands need to be played by OP, not just on the same screen name.

agreed, i'll have this posted when gary posts *official* rules

- no webcam??

being worked on, most likely we'll set it up

- real life friend being the escrow?

yeah i understand, like i said if anyone has a problem with it i'll start looking for other escrows soon. Some people seem to be fine with it as i received one bet and got a few PMs already about more. OP asked me to escrow after i mentioned that I knew him irl, which I did because originally I just wanted to get the bet moving and show that he's not a scumbag/degen/angleshooter/etc. Either way if I do escrow I'll show verification that he escrows to me as well. AFAIK the reason he wants me to escrow is because he trusts me and 2p2 probably trusts me so it was a good fit. I totally see how it could potentially be a problem so if my rep isn't strong enough then I don't think anyone involved has a problem with a different escrow

don't get me wrong, but that sounds a little bit shady on first impresion.
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03-16-2010 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by grdred944
Who are the judges, what is their criteria for determining stalls, and what are the remedies? Time added?
the identity of judges can be decided by the betters, i imagine it would be fair to have OP pick one, have the final betters pick one to represent them, and then to have a third party who is uninvolved. the rest is basically just up to judges discretion, since thats the point of a judge =\
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03-16-2010 , 03:09 PM
Wow .. i need to learn to read things properly ..

I thought this thread said $30k profit in a day at $200nl 6 max ..

My intitial thought was ..WTF ????
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03-16-2010 , 03:13 PM
On 2nd thought I think 3:1 is too much to give. I'm out at those odds.
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03-16-2010 , 03:20 PM
How much action left? Im thinking of taking the rest

Edit: Dont listen to these guys. You should get 4-1 on this..
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03-16-2010 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by blackize
On 2nd thought I think 3:1 is too much to give.
I kind of thought so too, but remember he's really betting a parlay... break even at SSNL for a day (very possible even for reg on a downswing, though tough given the volume needed) + play 30k hands in 24 hours (much harder). The chance of achieving both makes this a pretty fair bet I think...
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03-16-2010 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Th3_S1aught3r
How much action left? Im thinking of taking the rest

Edit: Dont listen to these guys. You should get 4-1 on this..
im sure he can easily find people willing to give 4-1 on this, but he wont get it from me
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03-16-2010 , 03:38 PM
Booked at 3-1 to my favor:
terp 3k (or more) (3k confirmed by escrow)
mythrilfox 750
hellokittery 600
lemming 300 (confirmed by escrow)
Pocket Watch 300
BoC34 300 (confirmed by escrow)
spacecakezzz/Gene Fish 750
Verstehen ???
Th3_S1aught3r - The rest?

Looks like I'll be fully booked fairly soon once I confirm the numbers from The_Slaughter and Verstehan.

Also looking for 3rd party escrows/judges if required by bettors.
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03-16-2010 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by blackize
Who is zachvac? Also if he were to get someone to play the 30k hands for him, unless the bettors know what gary looks like won't it be kind of ineffective for verification?
IF I do get my webcam going (which is dependent on various things since my internet connection may not actually be fast enough to support that), then you'll have to take my word that its me playing yeah?

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Booked at 3-1 to my favor:
terp 3k (or more) (3k confirmed by escrow)
mythrilfox 750
hellokittery 600
lemming 300 (confirmed by escrow)
Pocket Watch 300
BoC34 300 (confirmed by escrow)
spacecakezzz/Gene Fish 750
Verstehen ???
Th3_S1aught3r - The rest?

Looks like I'll be fully booked fairly (2.5k) soon once I confirm the numbers from The_Slaughter and Verstehan.

Also looking for 3rd party escrows/judges if required by bettors.
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03-16-2010 , 03:50 PM
yeah sorry gary i'm out actually. i thought about it a bit, i'm a pretty crappy grinder and i think if i chugged some adderall i could do it well over 25% of the time, so i imagine you'd be able to as well. good luck though!
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03-16-2010 , 03:51 PM
Not to accuse OP of anything, but a prop like this has tons of room for trickery. A couple friends dumping a couple buyins to him almost ensures victory.
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03-16-2010 , 03:51 PM
i'm out too, gl gary, I'm sure someone will take the action.

edit re: the last post, you do realize he has to play 30,000 hands right, and that is much more difficult than breaking even over a session at 1/2?

Last edited by Verstehen; 03-16-2010 at 03:52 PM. Reason: responding to last post
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03-16-2010 , 03:52 PM
Booked at 3-1 to my favor:
terp 3k (or more) (3k confirmed by escrow)
hellokittery 600
lemming 300 (confirmed by escrow)
Pocket Watch 300
BoC34 300 (confirmed by escrow)
spacecakezzz/Gene Fish 750
Th3_S1aught3r - The rest?

About 2.25k in action left.

Looks like I'll be fully booked fairly (my 2.5k to BBV's 7.5k) soon once I confirm the numbers from The_Slaughter.

Also looking for 3rd party escrows/judges if required by bettors.

Last edited by Gary_Neville; 03-16-2010 at 04:02 PM.
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03-16-2010 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bearz
Not to accuse OP of anything, but a prop like this has tons of room for trickery. A couple friends dumping a couple buyins to him almost ensures victory.
Right thats why all bettors may by all means appoint a 3rd party judge to monitor any suspicious activity on my end.
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03-16-2010 , 03:54 PM
to clarify, terp is booked via PM but not yet received. also OP already mentioned that he will send all HHs from pokerstars to any bettors to insure that nothing underhanded was done on his part. you all know my SN as well so that shouldn't be an issue.
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03-16-2010 , 04:21 PM
How does one go about inspecting hand histories? Without his account records its hard to say who he knows and who he doesn't know. Having 3-4 people dump even 2-3 buyins each gives him a huge safety net to be winning after 30k hands if he's a winning player.

Again I am not accusing OP because I don't know him at all, but I'm just wondering what safeguards exist? I have a bet on the 40k in a month thing because that seems much harder to rig one side or the other, but this one just seems like it has huge room for error if OP is unscrupulous.

I don't mean to derail or take away interest, but I think with decent amounts of money on the line the method of how judges check HH's should be clarified.
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03-16-2010 , 04:24 PM
wait a sec. I havent decided yet. How much are left?
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03-16-2010 , 04:31 PM
And to show that I mean no disrespect or accusing you of angling (more clarifying judging procedures), I'll take some action if any is left and you need it.
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03-16-2010 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Barewire
the identity of judges can be decided by the betters, i imagine it would be fair to have OP pick one, have the final betters pick one to represent them, and then to have a third party who is uninvolved. the rest is basically just up to judges discretion, since thats the point of a judge =\
I appreciate what the role of a judge is but it seems as if the issue of potential stalling, etc... is something that could be quantified beforehand. I could see a scenario where someone who has a stake in this has a friend hop on every table this guy is on and has them slowdown play using the fact that they are multitabling as an excuse to play slower.

One of you math majors can tell us how much damage one person could do slowing down x numbers of tables for y amount of time.

Just throwing it out there. It's an interesting prop and I wish OP well in it.
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03-16-2010 , 06:28 PM
i don't think slowing down play will make that big of a difference because he'll be playing 15+ tables probably...if anything, it'll give him a few more seconds to make good decisions. chip dumping would be the worst scenario I can imagine.
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03-16-2010 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Th3_S1aught3r
wait a sec. I havent decided yet. How much are left?
assuming terp still wants his 3k to 1k, it seems like there is 3.9k to 1.3k still available. although, if some of the people who spoke up earlier still want there shares, it might be slightly less.

edit: just say gary's post above, those are the names of ppl who still have action reserved. only confirmed are lemming and boc34 for 300 each, terp likely for 3k
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03-16-2010 , 07:31 PM
Is this actually hard to do at 6M?

I don't play short-handed, but many of the winning FR regs could do this very easily.
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03-16-2010 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bearz
How does one go about inspecting hand histories? Without his account records its hard to say who he knows and who he doesn't know. Having 3-4 people dump even 2-3 buyins each gives him a huge safety net to be winning after 30k hands if he's a winning player.

Again I am not accusing OP because I don't know him at all, but I'm just wondering what safeguards exist? I have a bet on the 40k in a month thing because that seems much harder to rig one side or the other, but this one just seems like it has huge room for error if OP is unscrupulous.

I don't mean to derail or take away interest, but I think with decent amounts of money on the line the method of how judges check HH's should be clarified.
i just meant the judges could import the 30k hands into their database and search for all the big pots or whatever, and check to see if some unusual 100bb+ wins occur.
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