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22 buy-ins below EV since August - its starting to sting! 22 buy-ins below EV since August - its starting to sting!

12-29-2023 , 08:41 PM
But... you're running at EV?
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12-29-2023 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by boulgakov
But... you're running at EV?
If you look real hard (Ctrl +) he's running about 2 Chipotle burritos with guac and double meat under EV.

Actual runbad: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=679

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I'm guessing they ran good at higher stakes and BB graph looks unlucky
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12-29-2023 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by boulgakov
But... you're running at EV?
It’s not all about bad beats. It is a never ending series of coolers and counterfeits that has killed me all year. I do well in smaller pots but in big pots I am constantly finding myself in situations where I am 80-90% to win on the turn, then with 50% + of my stack in the pot the flush draw comes in on the river….villain makes a higher 2 pair, a dude who has been calling me down with a pair of 9s hits a set on the river to beat my set. Even when I am structuring for a 3 barrell bluff the river cards screw me.
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12-30-2023 , 03:39 PM
You should have the box with your VP/PFR/3B/bb100/EVbb100 show on your graph, because a bunch of colored lines without context is meaningless.

Also, you probably aren't as good as you think you are and are overplaying your hands in a lot of situations.
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12-30-2023 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AskZandar
You should have the box with your VP/PFR/3B/bb100/EVbb100 show on your graph, because a bunch of colored lines without context is meaningless.

Also, you probably aren't as good as you think you are and are overplaying your hands in a lot of situations.
I didn't even know you could do that. Next time I load up PT4 I will add it in.

For the year my I am 28/21/9. My bb/100 adjusted for the year is .45, largely because I've run -75bb/100 over the last week. Before that I was running about 4bb/100 for the year, though I am running 3.41bb/100 adjusted cumulatively.

I aim to play a fairly aggressive TAG style, ~ VPIP 25. The number is a little higher because I've begun limping/calling behind slightly more with good drawing hands in situations I normally wouldn't.

I've never said anything about how good I am, nor is it about that. I can confidently say I am better than the average player at NL50 (in the pool I play with) and in a small sample size I would say I am better than the average NL100 players in my pool. But I am not the greatest.

That said, the issue really is not being able to get value with premium hands because I am constantly having big hands counterfeit on the turn but mostly on the river. Like these are sets, just over the last few sessions:

1- Set of 2's beaten by straight on the river
2- set of 9s vs open ender...3x raise on flop, 80% pot bet run...beaten by straight on the river.
3- Set of 8s on 475 rainbow board. Villain pots the flop, turn brings in a flush draw, villain pots and I call, river brings both the straight and flush draw...I fold to jam.
4- Set of 5's on turn, make pot sized bet villain calls with an open ender and top pair draw...nails straight on the river.
5- Set of 5's on the flop in 3way pot, check jam, both have me covered and call - one makes a straight on the turn, other makes quads on the river.
6- Set of 5's 4way flop of 2-3-5 with flush draw. BB bets 1/2 pot, I 3x raise, player 2 calls...nails a set of 8s on the turn.
7- set of 3's on flop of 4 3 7 with flush draw. Villain bets 2/3 pot on flop I check raise 4x he calls. River brings in 2nd flush draw so I over bet the pot...he calls...hits K high flush on the river.

And that doesn't count the 2 bad beats I've taken with sets:

1-Flop a set of 2's on a K high 3way flop that checks through. Turn is a K, UTG bets 1/3, Player 3 raises to 8.5bb, I reraise to 25bb and reraiser jams so I call. He shows 1010, has 9% to win until River brings a K giving him a better boat.

2- Flop a set of 3's get it all-in on the flop and villain hits the 9 high flush draw on the river.

Again, I'm not the best player in the world, by far, but it is really frustrating when, in the span of a few sessions, you lose like 700bb like this. All of this while still running damn near 30buy-ins below EV. So I have no luck when I get it all-in, and I have no luck when I don't get it in.
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12-31-2023 , 01:33 AM
I used to have issues where I'd get beat out of big pots, and got into a lot of shitty spots where I was completely lost. I got wound up about and ended up playing worse or scared until I decided that maybe it was my own fault.

Spend $100 or whatever with someone who does coaching and can give you an objective opinion of how far your important stats are from a normal area and if some of the bad results happen because you misplayed the hands that you're talking about.

Then you should probably get gtowiz or something so you can upload HH and see how many mistakes you've actually been making.

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Originally Posted by silky28
I didn't even know you could do that. Next time I load up PT4 I will add it in.

For the year my I am 28/21/9. My bb/100 adjusted for the year is .45, largely because I've run -75bb/100 over the last week. Before that I was running about 4bb/100 for the year, though I am running 3.41bb/100 adjusted cumulatively.

I aim to play a fairly aggressive TAG style, ~ VPIP 25. The number is a little higher because I've begun limping/calling behind slightly more with good drawing hands in situations I normally wouldn't.

I've never said anything about how good I am, nor is it about that. I can confidently say I am better than the average player at NL50 (in the pool I play with) and in a small sample size I would say I am better than the average NL100 players in my pool. But I am not the greatest.

That said, the issue really is not being able to get value with premium hands because I am constantly having big hands counterfeit on the turn but mostly on the river. Like these are sets, just over the last few sessions:

1- Set of 2's beaten by straight on the river
2- set of 9s vs open ender...3x raise on flop, 80% pot bet run...beaten by straight on the river.
3- Set of 8s on 475 rainbow board. Villain pots the flop, turn brings in a flush draw, villain pots and I call, river brings both the straight and flush draw...I fold to jam.
4- Set of 5's on turn, make pot sized bet villain calls with an open ender and top pair draw...nails straight on the river.
5- Set of 5's on the flop in 3way pot, check jam, both have me covered and call - one makes a straight on the turn, other makes quads on the river.
6- Set of 5's 4way flop of 2-3-5 with flush draw. BB bets 1/2 pot, I 3x raise, player 2 calls...nails a set of 8s on the turn.
7- set of 3's on flop of 4 3 7 with flush draw. Villain bets 2/3 pot on flop I check raise 4x he calls. River brings in 2nd flush draw so I over bet the pot...he calls...hits K high flush on the river.

And that doesn't count the 2 bad beats I've taken with sets:

1-Flop a set of 2's on a K high 3way flop that checks through. Turn is a K, UTG bets 1/3, Player 3 raises to 8.5bb, I reraise to 25bb and reraiser jams so I call. He shows 1010, has 9% to win until River brings a K giving him a better boat.

2- Flop a set of 3's get it all-in on the flop and villain hits the 9 high flush draw on the river.

Again, I'm not the best player in the world, by far, but it is really frustrating when, in the span of a few sessions, you lose like 700bb like this. All of this while still running damn near 30buy-ins below EV. So I have no luck when I get it all-in, and I have no luck when I don't get it in.
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12-31-2023 , 07:56 AM
You put in pretty minimal volume and act like you understand variance when you don’t. By the looks of things you started off your 50nl career running super hot winning at ~15bb/100 and that’s caused you to think you’re much better of a player than you actually are.

The mindset of bitching about every bad beat is a complete fish mentality and doesn’t help anything . You literally made a post crying when you had queens on the button and bb flatted kings and you lost the minimum lmao.

Why are you over betting 2 pair multi-way on a straight connected board ? Why are u limping a5o in the sb multi-way then calling an iso? Why are you flatting hands like 97s on the button vs ep opens? You need to take a look in the mirror and actually try to improve your game if you want to win more consistently instead of crying over bad beats and variance.
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