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11-19-2015 , 08:16 PM
So this being the bad beats and variance section I figured this would be the appropriate place to post. Im writing this essentially to seek a little friendly advise, I'm not here to sweat beats or complain about loosing etc. I've been playing for about a year and over that time I've really grown to love poker. I recently opened a new account on stars after playing on 888 and deposited $150, now down to 100 after 30k hands.

I currently 6 table 5NL 6 max, trying to grind up a bank roll, improve my game and eventually move up from the micros. Recently I just seem to have been on a bit of a down swing that I just dont seem to be able to crawl out of, I dont really feel tilted its just a little disheartening. I either seem to get coolered or sucked out on and I was just wondering if anyone had any advice for me it would be much appreciated.

I've enclosed some hands just as an examples, maybe im doing something wrong im some spots? I know they say 1 hand per post but I feel a collection is appropriate to this post.

Is it ever correct to fold KK pre? Theres been many occasions when I've put my opponent on AA holding KK after he goes all in and I call anyway only to see the hand I knew he had but I can never find a fold

    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 3 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37170560

    BB: $6.04 (120.8 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $5.62 (112.4 bb)
    SB: $5.02 (100.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
    Hero raises to $0.15, SB folds, BB raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $6.04 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.12 and is all-in

    Flop: ($11.26) 4 7 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: ($11.26) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($11.26) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $11.26 pot ($0.47 rake)
    Final Board: 4 7 9 2 6
    BB showed A A and won $10.79 ($5.17 net)
    Hero showed K K and lost (-$5.62 net)



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    In retrospect I think I played these queens badly but I feel like it was hard to give him credit for a hand on that board. I guess 88 could be in his range but after calling a 3bet I'm not putting him on a 6 and 99% he's re raising AA KK pre so I put him on AKc, 99, JJ, TT.

      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37170561

      UTG: $9.50 (190 bb)
      MP: $5.14 (102.8 bb)
      CO: $8.55 (171 bb)
      BTN: $5.82 (116.4 bb)
      SB: $5.12 (102.4 bb)
      Hero (BB): $5.26 (105.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with Q Q
      2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.45, CO folds, BTN calls $0.30

      Flop: ($1.07) 8 6 6 (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.65, BTN raises to $1.30, Hero raises to $4.81 and is all-in, BTN calls $3.51

      Turn: ($10.69) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($10.69) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $10.69 pot ($0.44 rake)
      Final Board: 8 6 6 K J
      BTN showed 5 6 and won $10.25 ($4.99 net)
      Hero showed Q Q and lost (-$5.26 net)



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        Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37170563

        Hero (MP): $5 (100 bb)
        CO: $9.99 (199.8 bb)
        BTN: $5 (100 bb)
        SB: $6.11 (122.2 bb)
        BB: $11.11 (222.2 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is MP with Q A
        Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.50, BB folds, Hero calls $0.35

        Flop: ($1.05) 2 J A (2 players)
        SB bets $0.65, Hero calls $0.65

        Turn: ($2.35) A (2 players)
        SB bets $1.44, Hero calls $1.44

        River: ($5.23) 3 (2 players)
        SB bets $3.52, Hero calls $2.41 and is all-in

        Spoiler:
        Results: $10.05 pot ($0.42 rake)
        Final Board: 2 J A A 3
        Hero showed Q A and lost (-$5 net)
        SB showed K A and won $9.63 ($4.63 net)



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        After Villain raised by cbet on the flop I felt like I had too much equity in the hand to fold and I didnt like just calling so I opted into shoving in mind that I might also have some fold equity.

          Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37170564

          UTG: $4.96 (99.2 bb)
          MP: $5 (100 bb)
          Hero (CO): $7.13 (142.6 bb)
          BTN: $6.25 (125 bb)
          SB: $5 (100 bb)
          BB: $11.33 (226.6 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is CO with A Q
          UTG folds, MP raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, MP calls $0.25

          Flop: ($0.87) 4 8 A (2 players)
          MP checks, Hero bets $0.25, MP raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $6.73, MP calls $3.10 and is all-in

          Turn: ($10.07) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
          River: ($10.07) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

          Spoiler:
          Results: $10.07 pot ($0.42 rake)
          Final Board: 4 8 A 5 K
          MP showed 8 8 and won $9.65 ($4.65 net)
          Hero showed A Q and lost (-$5.00 net)



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            Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37170565

            SB: $5.68 (113.6 bb)
            BB: $4.04 (80.8 bb)
            UTG: $15.83 (316.6 bb)
            Hero (MP): $4.76 (95.2 bb)
            CO: $5.25 (105 bb)
            BTN: $5.05 (101 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is MP with K K
            UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.50, BB folds, Hero raises to $1.55, SB raises to $5.68 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.21 and is all-in

            Flop: ($9.57) Q 7 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
            Turn: ($9.57) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)
            River: ($9.57) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

            Spoiler:
            Results: $9.57 pot ($0.40 rake)
            Final Board: Q 7 6 J 7
            SB showed Q Q and won $9.17 ($4.41 net)
            Hero showed K K and lost (-$4.76 net)



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              Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37170566

              Hero (BB): $4.74 (94.8 bb)
              MP: $2.49 (49.8 bb)
              CO: $5.44 (108.8 bb)
              BTN: $5 (100 bb)
              SB: $4.01 (80.2 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BB with 3 3
              MP raises to $0.10, CO calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.08, Hero calls $0.05

              Flop: ($0.50) 9 K 3 (5 players)
              SB checks, Hero bets $0.24, MP calls $0.24, CO raises to $1.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.64 and is all-in, MP folds, CO calls $3.54

              Turn: ($10.02) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
              River: ($10.02) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)

              Spoiler:
              Results: $10.02 pot ($0.42 rake)
              Final Board: 9 K 3 2 T
              Hero showed 3 3 and lost (-$4.74 net)
              MP mucked and lost (-$0.34 net)
              CO showed 9 9 and won $9.60 ($4.86 net)
              BTN mucked and lost (-$0.10 net)
              SB mucked and lost (-$0.10 net)



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              Thanks in advance to anyone who took the time to read through all this, there are many hands like above but id pretty much be repeating myself im sure you get the jist.

              Peace
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              11-19-2015 , 08:28 PM
              Your other thread was better.
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              11-19-2015 , 08:41 PM
              I don't know how to delete it so I feel like a massive dickhead but thanks bro

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              11-20-2015 , 01:32 AM
              Quote:
              Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05
              I hope you step on a lego for wasting my time.
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              11-20-2015 , 03:23 AM
              Hand 3 and 4, you're a massive fish.

              Also not topping up confirms this.

              Fish...
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              11-20-2015 , 03:36 AM
              It is not a downswing if you suck at poker, numbnuts.
              Like on that AQ hand you flop TPTK with NFD, but you shove to have "fold equity"...
              Oh wait
              Spoiler:
              Bla bla bla This is not a strat forum, just keep on grinding op until Stars unrig their software and you start winning more. Also fold more rivers fish
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              11-20-2015 , 04:12 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Unsporting
              Hand 1 2 3 4 5 & 6, you're a massive fish.
              fyp
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              11-20-2015 , 04:23 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by UGiveMe$5
              fyp
              Lol, ty
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              11-20-2015 , 04:43 AM
              lol 15k hands at .2/.5
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              11-20-2015 , 09:07 AM
              post in micros subforum for hand analysis (but not this kind of whine thread)
              15k hands is a small sample, you have big leaks though
              top off stack..
              H1 4b smaller
              H2 squeeze bigger, call flop raise
              H3 fine
              H4 check flop, your bet size is useless too
              H5 4b smaller
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              11-20-2015 , 10:16 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by MTT_9797
              I hope you step on a lego for wasting my time.
              You're a sick and twisted individual
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              11-20-2015 , 10:19 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Anyway
              It is not a downswing if you suck at poker, numbnuts.
              Like on that AQ hand you flop TPTK with NFD, but you shove to have "fold equity"...
              Oh wait
              Spoiler:
              Bla bla bla This is not a strat forum, just keep on grinding op until Stars unrig their software and you start winning more. Also fold more rivers fish
              I shoved because after the raise I don't like just calling then facing a big bet on the turn and not knowing where I'm at. I figured with the amount of equity I had it was well worth just getting it all in on the flop. Maybe that was the wrong play what would you have done?
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              11-20-2015 , 10:24 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by drakelol
              post in micros subforum for hand analysis (but not this kind of whine thread)
              15k hands is a small sample, you have big leaks though
              top off stack..
              H1 4b smaller
              H2 squeeze bigger, call flop raise
              H3 fine
              H4 check flop, your bet size is useless too
              H5 4b smaller
              Thanks, this wasn't intended to be a whinny thread. I just wanted to show people the sort of hands where I was loosing the most money (because there's a lot of these) so people could point out if I was doing anything wrong. If so I want to work towards fixing it. If not my plan is to just keep on playing the way ive been playing.
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              11-20-2015 , 06:54 PM
              life can be hard
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              11-20-2015 , 07:04 PM
              Bet size in the AQdd hand is horrible, you've got the effective nuts with a redraw to the nuts, cbet bigger and expect many worse hands to call, AK probably 4 bets pre so you're only really behind 88 and unlucky to come up against it here.

              First hand you've got KK on the BTN, BB could be shoving much worse there, but i'd 4 bet to around $1.15 for the record

              pocket 3's hand i'd bet around 0.35 for bigger value from a king and diamonds, good to get it in here, he can have any gutshot and diamond draw, K9s, 99 is the only hand you're really crushed by so you got unlucky again here
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              11-20-2015 , 07:23 PM
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              11-20-2015 , 07:25 PM
              Fold pre
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              11-20-2015 , 07:34 PM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Morphismus
              I love this

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              11-20-2015 , 08:30 PM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Morphismus
              These get me everytime lmao
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