SoCal 40 I open the farjack with AJhh. LoJack 3!, HJ CO BTN SB fold, BB calls I call.

LJ is aggro pre but very straightforward and SD bound post. BB is way too wide here an is standard LA Asian self taught bad lag.

KJ6dd

BB checks and I kinda want to donk.

So you want to donk because he will bet everything that has you beat but check AQ and TT-?

If that is the way he plays, wouldn't checking be even more correct since you know where you are at like always?

I don't like checking here as laggy BB could make it 2 back to you with a worse jack or a draw. I'd donk this as well

No he will bet like 100%. My problem is that c/r and c/c if it's still 3 ways both suck.

what's his 3b range? i'd think that c/r is just fine....

*grunch*

Commerce?

What's your plan if you get raised on the flop? Raised on a turn blank?

could be a 4bet pf for value

check flop

the goal isn't to make the hand as easy to play as possible. it's to play in as +ev a way as possible

Estimate button's pf range and BB's flop calling/cr'ing range, and you'll have your answer.

LJ will bet flop 100%. His preflop range is probably reasonable, like AT+, 88+, KQ, KJs and some occasional spews. He will bet flop 100% and BB will peel super wide. He he will put a bet in on the flop with A8 or 33 no problem.

And if BB raises I am never folding for 2 bets and probably prefer dusting off ye old cold call.

Why?

OK, I guess fear it checks thru. But how often will this happen w/this opponent, will it happen more since it's 3-way?

So stop being such a vag and three bet. People worry so much about facing two bets on the flop when there is some chance they won't have the best hand - stop thinking like nits.

Alright fine, nobody likes a donk which is maybe good cause it's not what I did....to the flop...

We check to the PFR who bets the KJ6dd board. The BB calls and I raise. The PFR now 3-bets and the big blind folds. I just call. His play here is likely pretty honest 3 ways, and to be honest I think I am absolutely crushed and have successfully isolated myself against the best hand.

KJ6dd-4r

I check, he bets, and I want to fold getting 9:1 closing the action. Thoughts?

i have no problem with an exploitive fold if you trust your read. that said, you can't make a habit of it.

I'm not sure how much I love a flop c/r tbh, particularly if you're considering folding to more aggression on this draw heavy board. Just because he is "pretty honest" there are still some AQ, AT and diamond draws out there (plus can he have QTs? Can he have hands like 9Tdd? or even 78dd preflop?) that I would say 3betting this flop 3-ways is still "honest."

If the BB is peeling like super wide and super bad but is also a "bad lag" then won't he possibly check-raising some or most of his "Real" draws? The point being that BB is probably in awful shape, will fold to the 3bet, and has few or no outs against your hand. If he has a worse jack (which i think is his most likely hand, along with AT) then i see no problem with letting him continue to call 1 bet per street.

I think c/c flop, c/c turn and evaluate rivers. If you get 3barreled then your hand is pretty much a bluff catcher, though i guess maybe QJs could be trying to squeeze some value.

Finally, given that you say villain is showdown bound, he probably isn't 3betting this flop particularly light for value, as he'd likely prefer calling 3 times. 9:1 is a decent price and I'm pretty sure I call this turn and call non-diamond rivers. c/r river J, b/c river A.

Flop is super boring and turn is an easy call and decide on river, people play like TT like this all the time and snap check back river, against tougher players I think you just do what you did and call it down. It might be a 4 bet on the flop vs tons of people, are you running super bad or something? Donking flop is just a total disaster btw

WTF kind of games have you been playing in??

don't fold the turn at this price imo

I think they're called "games in LA"

The ones you play in?

DD got it right. Don't donk because it lets him play perfectly and don't fold the turn. River is probably a fold against most non-expert players because they just straight up aren't bluffing enough and you are towards the bottomish of your range.

I'm getting about 37% equity on this flop 3 ways if you assume that the BB raises most top pair+ hands and peels super wide. Closer to 33% if you assume she plays a little tighter PF.

On this turn I'm getting about 17.5% equity getting 9:1 against a range like this KK+, JJ, TdTs, ThTs, AKs, AdQd, AJs, AdTd, KJs+, AKo, KQo

Make assumptions about how he'd play certain hands, add in some more AJo type of crap, or more 99 type of hands that play the way DD suggested, and folding the turn starts to become a bigger mistake.

River is more interesting because I think the only bluffs he can have are really the big diamond draws, and there should be only 2 combos of that in there PF. He'll also check back any TT hands he does play this way and maybe even an AJs if he does play it that way.

Assuming he does that, I get about 8.8% equity getting 11:1. I don't think folding is very exploitable here, just the correct decision.

So I think you played the hand well if you folded the river.

DD doesn't play in the games I play in. I'd recognize him.

Anyway, Jesse (accurately) described the villain as "straightforward post-flop," and he just doesn't have TT. That simply isn't how most opponents play -- 3-betting the flop and betting the turn with two overs on the board. Maybe it's how they should play, maybe it's not how they should, but it's definitely not what they *do*, let alone "all the time." Come on now.

3b flop, bet turn, check river with TT would be unusual even in an aggro online game.