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09-21-2022 , 10:31 AM
HJ opens, Button calls, I call in BB with KsQc. This is the second hand for the button so no specific reads.

Qh9h3h...Checked to the HJ who bets, Button calls,

Do I CR now or wait for a non heart turn?
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09-21-2022 , 11:24 AM
I may (usually) three bet this pre depending on HJ. Out of position here, I wait to see what the turn is. There are a fair amount of turns I won't even raise.
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09-21-2022 , 03:44 PM
I'd call and see how the equities shake out on the turn. I don't really want to bloat this pot without the Kh in my hand, especially OOP. I'd be looking to check-raise safe turns.
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09-21-2022 , 06:26 PM
I think preflop is fine.

I raise flop. We are MW, no point in slow playing. Also, make those with a single heart pay to draw.

Many turn cards aren’t clean, may not be able to get value if any one of them falls. Get the value now.
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09-22-2022 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
HJ opens, Button calls, I call in BB with KsQc. This is the second hand for the button so no specific reads.

Qh9h3h...Checked to the HJ who bets, Button calls,

Do I CR now or wait for a non heart turn?
I think raising and calling both have merits. If HJ is auto cbetting here then raising seems good. If he will give up with stuff like AJss or 88 then I would tend towards check/calling and seeing what develops on the turn.
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09-22-2022 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw
I think raising and calling both have merits. If HJ is auto cbetting here then raising seems good. If he will give up with stuff like AJss or 88 then I would tend towards check/calling and seeing what develops on the turn.
In the games I mostly play, hero is not a favorite when this flop was bet and called, so I hate the check-raise. I'm not giving up, but I'm hoping for no more hearts and maybe for my hand to improve. I wouldn't want to check-raise the turn either unless maybe my hand improved. If the action was a bit different and a check-raise would face the third player with two bets cold I would consider that.

I think this is kind of like a (reverse) drawing hand, similar to most made hands in O8. Even if you have the current best hand, you may not be a money favorite, so you're just hoping nothing comes in. Plus there is a good chance you're not ahead at all, in which case you're likely drawing very thin.
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09-22-2022 , 03:36 AM
I think that this comes down to population tendencies because in the games I play at, a bet and a call on the flop here would not be super super scary depending on who bet. But I agree if we are ahead we are not crazy far ahead.

Again playing in a game against someone who cbets a lot, other players will call a lot wider. So I think the cbetting tendencies of the preflop raiser is important. Iím not loving it, but I also think a check/raise flop, check turn line isnít so bad on board changing cards. Super easy to balance when we have the nut flush, and we donít even need to check a really high frequency of nuts here since we can have so many ax with ah.
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09-22-2022 , 07:44 PM
Definitely player dependent. In my games I don't think anyone with AsJs or 88 with no heart is going to c-bet on this flop.
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09-24-2022 , 08:39 PM
seems like a standard spot to go c/c flop, c/r brick turn, folding to a turn 3b. if called on the turn i like checking brick rivers.

what you dont want is for villian to bet flop+turn with a worse hand that would call a turn CR and then check behind riv allowing him to realize full equity for cheap. theres also a chance if you CR turn that villian will fold something like TT with a heart and thus forfeit equity.


also extrapolating, standard strat here with a flush is to fastplay, but i like slowplaying flushes in the same manner for balance. keep your range wide until villain has a lot of money invested.

Last edited by NittyOldMan1; 09-24-2022 at 08:45 PM.
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