Villian is good pro on the snug side.

We open 99 EP. Villian 3! MP.

Flop 966. We k/r, villian call.

Turn 3 (966). We bet, villian raise, we 3!

River A (3966). We?

Bet and call down if raised

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if you check, whats the worst hand he value bets?

This is kinda what I was getting at. I feel like his range is super narrow here. Like AA-JJ narrow, and I discount JJ somewhat.

What he bets is pretty Dependant on our specific history together. I think he fires KK almost always, and QQ sometimes.

River might be a b/3b! Depending on how agro villain is, would he ever play aq or ak this way? What about putting in a raise with kk/qq on the river?

if he value bets QQ always I think check-call is defensible

I'd check call the flop without a read that he would overplay or spew. Then I'd check raise any turn.

River is never a b/3

Nah. Can't risk turn checking through. Doing this also minimizes the pot. We want to have two possible streets to shovel money on.

How often do you think the turn checks through?

At game speed i b/c

I personally wouldn't have a c/r range on this flop vs a good player. I think the turn would only ever get checked through if it was an A and opponent had like KK or QQ.

b/c, contingent that you have some hands in your turn b/3b range that requires villain to crycall river with smaller overpairs. Your turn value range looks like 99/KK/AA. If you have no bluffs, villain's range seems like it should only be AA/KK.

if the second part of your post is true then betting the river would be really terrible. I think its a pretty interesting spot and check calling river is going to be much closer to correct than most people will think.

whether we should check call river or not is going to be very player specific and we really cant answer without knowing some answers or at least assumption to a few questions (1) Whats villian do with 66-88 pre-flop (2) how does he play TT-JJ on flop-turn after we check raise and (3) what does he do with QQ on the river if we check

i agree with jl. if i'm villain, i'm betting qq+.

It's not as complicated as it seems to be. If the question is what to do on the river, I check call. But I wonder, I don't know how significant it might be but did the villain cap the turn? I I don't think he did.

No cap HU, and also no way more than 3 bets Can go in on the turn unless he has quads.

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That's why I'm saying OP should b/3b some small portion of his range as a bluff (e.g. black 88; 1 combo, bottom of his value range). i dont know if c/raising flop with 88 is profitable for value though, so maybe it's JTs that c/raises flop and b/3b turns that are 8's/Q's/fds (or some subset/combination)

Curious what others have to say on whether we should have a b/3b bluff range here. Seems like ranges are really narrow.

If villain's range is AA/KK, b/c is at least breakeven if villain calls KK 100%. He may bluff KK some non 0%, which is good for us.

I'm failing to see how c/c is better. QQ checks behind thinking they tie our QQ or lose to KK. If they valuebet QQ, it have to be cuz we overaggro the turn a lot.

I'd like to see a stove for check raising QQ-88. Also, I'd like to see a stove for check calling almost everything else. I think these would be helpful to show just how narrow a good check raising range should be on the flop. KK, AA and 99 are 15 combos. Each pocket pair below KK are 6 combos each. Relate that to the number of combos in a good opening range. Add in a few combos of back door straight flush draws and we're probably talking about a 5-10% check raising range. The other 90-95% of the time we gotta play out of position vs a strong range with a medium pair or worse. I think that's the definition of a liability.

Really? If he has KK we check call and win1 bet. If he has KK we bet and win 1 bet. If he has AA we check call and lose 1 bet if he has AA and we bet we lose 2 bets.

Yes I think when we open in EP get 3 bet we should cr the 669 flop with JT and bet/3bet all gunshots vs a range that's basically JJ+ and will never fold

Why do you think he valuebets KK? This is against our perceived range of AA/KK/99/some-or-no bluffs, correct?

I think if we check, he checks behind everything and betss AA only. If we bet/call, I think we do the same EV-wise IF he can only ever have AA/KK, calls KK always and never bluffs. The only way I see bet/calling being worse is if he starts folding KK on the river; in that case, just add 1 combo or whatever of bluffs.

Well for starters
People don't check KK here, he probably reconstructs our range and thinks we may have JJ sometimes or QQ a bunch

You make it sound like we will do it all the time. Pick whatever hand and turn cards and bluff frequency that makes it unprofitable for villain to make exploitable folds. If villain never exploitatively folds and shows down 100%, then exploitatively never bluff; in that case, b/f river does at worse the same as c/c and likely better.

Fair.

Do you think OP should have a flop c/raising range? and should we have a flop c/raising bluff range?