A pre flop lag but post flop passive player opens in the LJ. I 3 bet from the button with 6s6c, all fold and he calls. He doesn't have a 4 bet range.

5s7d2s...He checks, I bet, he calls.

5s7d2s8s...He checks, I bet, he raises.

I put him on a set or a flush. He might have AsAx but probably would have CR that on the flop. I don't think he is semi bluffing. He sees me as a pretty tight player.

Call turn > 3bet FSDR attempt > Fold turn.

LJ sounds like bad TAG. Not having 4 bet range vs Moondig / OP Button 3 bet is bad imo.

Think GTO prefers to make range wider as LJ pfr by callong preflop. However, I can't imagine not having a 4 bet range as button preflop 3 bet vs Moondig as LJ pfr.

OT: Assuming Moondig is phenomenal LAGTAG which I think is true. If Moondig tighter than optimal preflop or postflop, sounds perfect vs LJ TAG fish who opens too wide preflop & plays tight passive post flop.

I'd call most river unimproved with 66 fyi but based on your reads, should probably be folding non 9x, 4x, 6x, spade.

OT 2: I rarely FSDR (free show down raise) as I think that's just bloating pot when could just call down instead. Especially on this board with 6s6c on 5s7d2s8s turn.

I'll start with a turn check, seems like you are in the middle of your range and getting raised on the big streets especially by a player who is passive means you are crushed more often than not.

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LJ TAG fish has 0% 4 bet range preflop per OP mongidig.

6s6c should be great on 5s7d2s8s turn vs LJ TAG range on turn until c/r by LJ . Giving free turns is bad imo if button / OP / mongidig.

Can imagine certain Solvers may check flop on 5s7d2s but that seems terrible for game flow & future hands vs LJ TAG fish that is tight passive post flop.

Imagine Ninefingershuffle would have won this hand on Button unimproved with 6s6c Sheseasy probably would have 3 bet turn as button because no gamble no future.

I mean, turn is an easy bet/call. You could be ahead of a bluff or have equity against whatever

I think you have too much going on to fold. For what it’s worth, I’m in the check turn camp. We’re drawing dead against any reasonable flush and we want to get to showdown. At the same time, betting also seems fine because he’s going to have a lot of draws on this board that we can get value from, and we don’t mind him folding AKdd or something dumb like that.

I've never seen this guy semi bluff the turn. I'm sure there is a non zero chance he might but I thought it was unlikely. He's one of those "He has it" types when he raises.

I think you're right. I did bet because I wanted to get in value from his big Aces or flush draws. The reality is that he is passive and could have pairs better than mine that he didn't raise on the flop. I'm not getting 3 streets of value against his non paired range. I do feel crushed when he raises. If I check and a blank rolls out on the river I might get called by his Ace highs. I don't think he is folding his Ace highs on the turn so I'm not overly concerned about betting for protection.

I think both options on the turn are close. I'm leaning check because when I get raised I hat folding but I also hate calling.

I really have a hard time folding here and like the way you’ve played it thus far.

It seems like he C/R the flop with an overpair?

If a spade rolls off and he fires the river, do you fold? Seems like yes, given your read?

I mean, on this board, he should be c/r a lot of his flush draws on the flop

It doesn't matter if he should be, that's not what he does.

Which flush draws do you think he should be CR in this situation? I would think we would want to cr our highest equity draws like a straight and flush draw. I think we get called down a lot on this board. We also get 3 bet or raised on the turn a good bit. In wider range situations I like to wait for an over card turn to semi bluff.

I’d be c/r barreling off all a and k high flush draws on that board.

If he really only has flushes and sets then it’s just a math problem.

If this is the case, you’re drawing dead. I don’t feel too hot about continuing. Surprised others would continue on this board given that this is the read.

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Think LJ is TAG fish.

If mongidig is putting LJ on set or flush after turn c/r, I'm still calling turn.

Ninefingershuffle would have hit straight on river & got max value imo. If LJ TAG fish had flush on turn, Ninefingershuffle would have folded river.

I'm donating river because I'm a TAG fish if I was OP / mongidig on button.

We have lots of equity against a set, actually.

I think in the most optimistic scenario, yes. Maybe I am too pessimistic but I fail to answer any of these three questions.

1. What cards would you like to hit on this river? What are our dream cards?
2. If we hit said dream card, do we raise river?

It's 7:1, we have the proper odds to hit straight or flush but...

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Mega winning LHE pros are optimistic / calling stations with VERY high WTSD & excellent won $ at SD.

OT: Dr. Elo in prime on A game I imagine would have busted this LJ TAG fish in addition to Ninefingershuffle, Sean Snyder, Sheseasy, Ninawilliams, Oink, Avoidthe9to5, Unguarded, etc

This is one of those hands where your personal history/reads with the villain play such a major role that it sort of limits the responses. I see all these replies that make estimations on the villains c/r range that can only be based on their own histories and projections with ppl who play how you described, but you didn't use a monicker (TAGfish, etc) and even your specific description of 'LAG pf, passive post flop' comes in too many varieties.

Of course we all use the info and reads we have available, but this is the type of exploitive/exploitable situation where any estimation a reply can have regarding what he c/r and more will fall WAY short of your own. To give someone zero percent semi bluffs requires a confident and detailed understanding to the point that any worthwhile reply has to presuppose the accuracy of your read and go from there.

Tldr; he's value raising a strong range. How strong would it have to be to make folding a good idea? Over pairs + heavily weighted toward sets I guess. Even then it's close enough that id prefer risking a small mistake and calling/re-evaluating (prob calling most rivers) to verify that that he really is that tight and passive here (and remains so day in and day out).

For everyone suggesting 3bet/anything, this is the exact villain you don't do this with. The benefit of knowing somebody won't cr the turn light is that you never have to risk spewing chips like a nut. It's the inverse as why a balanced turn c/r by a thinking player sucks - you have to 3bet light sometimes and knowingly give implied odds. These type of fish save you the trouble so don't bother.

I think we agree that we should both get to showdown. We probably just fundamentally disagree on how to get there. I would like to look at where I am in my range and play accordingly, not just randomly decide to click buttons.

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Clicking buttons was fun pre Black Friday.

OT: Ninawilliams used to multi table with mix of LHE and NL HUHU & think was at least 3BB/100 Absolutely crushed HUHU LHE HUHU & NL although game selection to an extent but not bum hunting.