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08-26-2008 , 12:42 PM

CobraChi

stranger

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 10

20- 40 Diamond Lils

Game is somewhat soft and straightforward. My image is most likely loose aggressive.

Regular raises with in early position. I have seen him raise with holdings as loose as a7 in early. Two callers. I 3-bet with JJ in the cutoff. Everyone calls. Flop comes J83 with two spades. Check to me. I bet everyone calls. Turn is 5 of spades. Check to me I bet, early pos raiser raises.

What is my best play here? Check turn and hope the board pairs? I think that play is much too weak but others have told me with that many callers someone must have been on the flush draw. In the actual hand I

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Thanks!

Last edited by private joker; 08-26-2008 at 12:51 PM. Reason: put results in spoilers -- OP, it's better not to post results at all

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08-26-2008 , 12:54 PM

pohuist

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,657

"Everyone calls" -- Does that mean the the pot is 4 haned? If you have 3 opponents the probabilty of either of them having 2 spades is tad below 20% but since suited cards are played much more often than unsuited (usually for exactly that reason), you could double that to about 40. The fact the EP C/R the field is a strong indcation of the flush. That said, you are better off calling the turn and raising the river (that is if you are prepared to fold to 3 bet and depending on whether the river completed any other draws)

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08-26-2008 , 01:11 PM

chillrob

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 20,925

I think you have to bet the turn despite the 3 flush showing up; it may be that no one has the flush yet but does have a big spade and will call with the draw. I would just call the check-raise though, not 3 bet. As played the river may be a fold, although I would have called down after calling the turn.

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08-26-2008 , 01:20 PM

Tryptamean

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,844

bet the turn obv, just call down when he c/r. 3betting would be spew.

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08-26-2008 , 01:22 PM

CobraChi

stranger

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 10

Yes it was 4 handed on the turn.

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08-26-2008 , 01:31 PM

pohuist

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,657

Aggro player could raise w/A

8x, but usually not in a 20 game. Call the turn, evaluate on the river if he bets.

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08-26-2008 , 02:26 PM

bisonbison

banned

Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14,382

You can play this hand in super speed:

call and call if board doesn't pair
call and happy town if board pairs.

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08-26-2008 , 03:17 PM

FondueBar

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 652

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Originally Posted by bisonbison

You can play this hand in super speed:

call and call if board doesn't pair
call and happy town if board pairs.

I would add that if we don't have J of spades, call turn and fold river if a non-board pairing four-flush appears on board.

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08-26-2008 , 04:19 PM

NeverKissed

newbie

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 47

I bet the turn here and clear out the trash. 4 handed in my local game I feel confident I will get at least one call/another bet from anyone holding a flush. Straighforward is the game you're in and that's how its playing out. Hang on and check call. How's your karma?

With that flop you're hoping to profit from overpairs, AJ, pocket 8's, and busted flushdraws. Put the money in.

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