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04-25-2018 , 10:09 PM

DonkeyOnTilt

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,002

20/40

Unknown villian raises UTG. I've never played with him and he has only been at the table for a little while. He only bought in for 2 racks and has limped utg before so I don't think he is good just based on those two observations.

Folds to the loooooooose gamblor in the SB who calls. I have 8c7h in the bb and defend.

Flop comes 6c4c2c and it checks to UTG who bets. SB now check raises. He doesn't have to have anything here and I feel the need to continue so I 3-bet.

Too ambitious?

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04-26-2018 , 12:22 AM

maka2184

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,537

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Originally Posted by DonkeyOnTilt

Yes, too ambitious. I'd wait to choose a better spot.

Fold > Raise > Call on flop.

Preflop call is standard.

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04-26-2018 , 09:16 AM

mongidig

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Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5,654

I like it. I'm not folding, so for an extra small bet you can possibly get HU with a gambler and muscle your way through the hand. Plus you have outs to fall back on.

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04-26-2018 , 12:21 PM

ninefingershuffle

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Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,542

Getting heads up with 8 high isn’t a win. Also, why is it bad to buy in for two racks?

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04-26-2018 , 03:19 PM

mongidig

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

Getting heads up with 8 high isn’t a win. Also, why is it bad to buy in for two racks?

It is if he folds at some point.

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04-27-2018 , 12:44 AM

WPNdonk

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Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 82

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

Also, why is it bad to buy in for two racks?

Anything less than a 100 BB buy-in is a dirty shortstacker. I typically buy in for 300 BB to demonstrate I have the biggest D at the table and so I can build chip sculptures.

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04-27-2018 , 01:50 PM

bicyclekick

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Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,078

my quick reaction is it looks fine to me.

Worst case you have to show down 8 high and this new guy prob gives you future action. Doesnt' seem so bad. And the crazy sb will prob put in too much in the future as well.

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04-27-2018 , 04:04 PM

jdr0317

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Originally Posted by bicyclekick

Plus he could have some draw as well and when you both miss, your barrel wins. It's fairly cheap to bluff here

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04-28-2018 , 01:39 AM

Mason Malmuth

Former Top Dog

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13,013

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

Getting heads up with 8 high isn’t a win. Also, why is it bad to buy in for two racks?

Hi fingers:

But in this spot getting heads-up with an eight high is a win because you have two overcards to the flop which will now be more likely to win if you hit one of them.

Best wishes,
Mason

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04-28-2018 , 01:19 PM

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ninefingershuffle

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I hear you guys and three betting is certainly superior to just calling, but in my experience the loose gambler types aren’t the folding types.

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04-28-2018 , 05:23 PM

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Mason Malmuth

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I hear you guys and three betting is certainly superior to just calling, but in my experience the loose gambler types aren’t the folding types.

Hi fingers:

I agree. But getting heads-up maybe only 20 percent of the time makes it worth it. However, if against this particular opponent you know he’s virtually always calling for two more bets, then it becomes best to play your hand differently.

Best wishes,
Mason

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04-29-2018 , 10:24 AM

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mongidig

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I hear you guys and three betting is certainly superior to just calling, but in my experience the loose gambler types aren’t the folding types.

Gambler types don't fold often but do have a wider range of missed draws we can target. We also have good equity against most of his pair range that's not a combo draw.

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