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03-14-2018 , 07:12 PM

DonkeyOnTilt

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Folds to me in middle position and I have KsKc and raise.

Folds to blinds. SB is aggro, sticky and a generally tricky good player. BB is butthole tight but solid.

Flop is Jh8h6c. Goes check, check and I bet.

SB calls, BB now raises and I 3-bet. SB folds and BB 4-bets. I call, electing to not cap as I hate my hand now.

Turn is 4s, he bets, I call.

River is the 3h and now he checks. Time to check back or go for thin value?

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03-14-2018 , 08:16 PM

jdr0317

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I'd bet unless you have a history of BB being MUBSy.

To be fair, BB's description sounds a lot like someone who may fit the above description.

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03-14-2018 , 11:31 PM

SetofJacks

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If BB is who I think it is, you have to bet. He never has you beat here. I'd probably raise the turn also.

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03-15-2018 , 01:26 AM

maka2184

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Would consider calling flop to delay raise,turn 3 ways.

As played would consider raising turn but depends on how narrow you put flop 4 bet range as.

As played I would always bet with intention of bet calling 100% of time absent extensive history or extensive reads.

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03-15-2018 , 01:09 PM

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call flop. bet river.

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03-15-2018 , 01:47 PM

monikrazy

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Check

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03-15-2018 , 02:42 PM

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i don't think i'd bet with any of my j's and if villain decides to only call aj and sets, kk's is still a favorite. i don't see a c/r coming since he should expect c/back often.

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03-15-2018 , 03:36 PM

Munga30

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You may want to make a quick checkup of your flop play if tight solid is 4betting. It could be that the free card play is simply a feature of the player pool and he reacted unthinkingly. But if he's solid and not prone to autopilot and still 4bet *you*, ask yourself whether you're making free card plays like this on the regular.

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03-15-2018 , 04:25 PM

etm.

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Definitely betting river. Also would flat the flop raise and raise turn.

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03-15-2018 , 07:33 PM

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DonkeyOnTilt

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Originally Posted by Munga30

I'm not sure why you're assuming I'm some sort of free card play artist. I raised this flop for value.

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03-15-2018 , 07:52 PM

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Munga30

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this time, with KK, yes. I was asking whether you make free card raises with other parts of your range. I could have been clearer.

It's a fair question, though. If you have legit questions about a river bet then you think he's 4betting oop with QQ/Jx when you *could* have all the sets and overpairs. The read is he's very tight and solid. So why would he think 4betting QQ/Jx has value? It would have to be because *he thinks* your flop 3bet has a lot more than sets and overpairs in it. So I asked you to think about what else is in your flop 3bet range that he can't count on you betting the turn (for getting in a kr). No offense meant.

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03-15-2018 , 08:31 PM

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DonkeyOnTilt

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Originally Posted by Munga30

I think I've raised the flop with the specific intention of checking the turn like twice in the last 6 months but I would definitely 3-bet this flop with my strongest drawing range. I don't really ever make a "free card" play.

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03-16-2018 , 09:54 AM

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i pretty much never 3 bet flop in that spot no matter what i have.

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03-16-2018 , 12:26 PM

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holmfries

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I can’t think of anyone in that game that I wouldn’t want to get one more raise in somewhere and where I would check behind on the river.

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03-23-2018 , 01:05 PM

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RichGangi

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Given this description,

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Originally Posted by DonkeyOnTilt

BB is butthole tight but solid.

I'm checking. I see zero value in betting here.

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03-23-2018 , 02:24 PM

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bicyclekick

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with the info i have

i like flop 3 bet. i like turn call. I bet fold this river. I think it's sorta close and I wouldn't raise an eyebrow if somebody checked vs that guy.

I have a slightly different image i'm sure but meh.

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03-23-2018 , 08:34 PM

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DonkeyOnTilt

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I'm pleased that this hand elicited some different responses as usually the hands I post are me butchering easy spots. Makes me feel better about not being sure what to do.

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