6 handed at the moment. 20/40

CO: Has been very agro with the open raises...I'd say he is opening at least 40%. He is pretty showdown bound and tends to bet the turn a lot. no other reads

CO opens, all fold and I call in BB with Ah3d.

Flop: JhJcQc.

Co bets, I call

Turn: JhJcQcTh

Co bets.....Do I call here? Was I correct to call the flop? If I call, what is my plan for the river?

Instamuck the turn and check / calling the flop is fine yet that flop is draw heavy and smacks his range, so you can check raise that flop and fold to three. If you do call check raise cap the river. Preflop is probably a muck though because he has a high card range and he reeks like a twoer.

Call turn. In addition to the A and K you have outs to counterfeit 99-22 and some low hearts to kr bluff and maybe he gives up some and you win on check thru. Pre is fine. Flop is ok if he's not selective with his flop cbets. That seems reasonable based on the read given but that would be something to work through.

is three betting pre too crazy?

You have a terrible hand so yeah 3betting sucks.


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Three betting is not terrible preflop depending on your stylistic.

Yes if your style is to play terrible then go ahead and 3b this hand.


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And what do you think about his strategy of c/c'ing flop and turn then c/r/capping the river?

He keeps posting the spewiest advice imaginable, he's gotta be a troll.

Check/fold flop.

I know it pains you to fold ace high against a guy who has a worse hand a lot of the time.

You don't have to beat him in every pot, though.

Too many hands where he won't fold to a check-raise, even if he's holding worse than you. Then what do you do, out of position?

Plus there's too many ways you're either crushed or drawing very thin.

I understand that A3 suited is a nice BB hand against an overaggro cutoff opener, but sometimes you need to just give up on a bad flop and move on. This is one of those times.

just wanted to reiterate that this is good advice

It was (A3-o). I would fold this, even with the big blind discount.

Equity Win Tie
CO 53.84% 49.32% 4.52% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T7s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, J9o+, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o }
BB 46.16% 41.64% 4.52% { Ah3d }

Even suited it SUX

Equity Win Tie
CO 50.88% 46.62% 4.26% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T7s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, J9o+, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o }
BB 49.12% 44.86% 4.26% { Ad3d }


It's tempting against an aggrotard, but what are you really beating? The only ace you beat is (A2). If the aggrotard is really raising 40%, you'll get your chance soon enough, but this isn't it. I would also consider a sat change to get position on him.

Ran this in my GTO Button vs. Blinds sim assuming cut off was the button opener (it has similar opening ranges) and the sim check calls all three streets with the A high. It folds non-flushing 8 and 9 rivers, but calls everything else.

46% equity getting 3.5:1 is hardly a close spot pre.

Interesting that the sim files this as a check call on the turn / most rivers. It seems wrong. What does it check/fold the turn with? Small pairs? It seems like it wouldn't have enough of those to not check/fold some ace highs.

I'm assuming that also means it thinks calling the flop bet with king high is correct and they therefor constitute the river fold range but how many weak kings does it even call pre?

Hey Abba,
Thanks for the practical feedback on the other thread as well. Good advice.

Here's the turn check/fold range in the sim. Again, this is a button vs. blinds sim but it should be pretty close to a cutoff opener. I agree, it's counter intuitive so I always like to go a bit deeper to understand what it's thinking.

C/F Turn: Non-flush A9s & K8s, A9o, K8o, small % K5o down to K2o, 87s to 82s (clubs), 7s thru 3s that didn't C/R flop.

C/C Flop: Non-flush AT to A2, A9o to A2o, KTs - K8s, Mixed on all smaller King high (it bluff raises about 70% of the time here), K9o, K8o, all queen high, Ts and under (mixed between call and raise), (T9, T8, 98 are mixed call and raise) and some smaller club draws like 87s - 82s, T7s - T2s, 42s, 32s.

Preflop (Button vs. BB) it only folds 92o - 32o, 83o and 73o. It calls everything else. I ran the sim for a couple days, 15 billion hands.

There are a lot of questions which come to mind looking at this. For example, why does it check call A3 and check fold A9 on the turn? Why does it fold some flush draws on the turn? Just seems bad. Open to ideas, but every time I think it's doing something stupid, I think about it, study it some more and it usually ends up making sense in the end. This one's got me stumped though - will think more on it and open to ideas from the crew.

J Lot