20/40 9 handed.

Tight passive UTG limps, Loose passive HJ limps, I call on button with JsTh....I'd raise here sometimes but both of the blinds are loose...raise anyways? SB completes, BB checks.

Ks4s4h....It gets checked around to me. The blinds are non combative so I'm not overly worried about getting CR by one of them. My image is good.

Is this worth a stab? Or are am I up against too many players?

You should, I believe, bet all of your kings, 4s, and hands with two spades. Your bluffs would be the worst of worst hands like 9d8d. It's unclear whether you should have any pure bluffs here. I don't think you should have any pure bluffs here personally, because then you'd be exploited by players xr with semi-bluffs.

Something like A8 would be in a tricky spot because you can bet to protect your hand, but there's no value in betting, and if you get check-raised you face a difficult decision as to whether or not you continue the hand. It would seem like A8 is a check as well, but I am curious what others think.

I'd check.

+1. I would check flop as played by OP.

I would fold or raise pre though with JT vs TAP UTG limp & LAP HJ limp as HERO being BTN with reads SB and BB are both Loose (LAP or LAG not indicated by OP).

I know mathematically its correct to call preflop but the RIO is just so bad on some run outs wheb we get 1 card flush draws or even pair up postflop.

That's just how I play which I'm sure is one of my leaks but most A sessions I have is of when I raise preflop or fold preflop with JTo in similar spots although 20/40 half kill games I play probably are softer than Canterbury (knowing how soft Canterbury is).

I don't think we need to think about balance here. We either have a profitable bet or we don't. We are getting a decent price to bet and hope to take it down. I'm just not sure it is the right price.

fold twice pre.

I'd say Pre is reasonable as long as no one is good. With position on two TP limpers this might play out well. Flop seems like a check since the turn card might determine a lot for the value of your hand. Also I'd assume no one will fold a pair or a good A high to your button flop bet on K 4 4 with a flush draw.

i'd like to hear more discussion about preflop. i don't think i'd be able to resist playing this either.

Regarding preflop:

Since we don't know if he's a showdown bound nit or a foldy nit, we can only make preflop decisions based on this read; JTo is not strong vs this limping range assuming the read is correct.

Throw in the loose passive limper in addition to the tight passive limper and now we really need to make a hand to win. Give them the option to donk decent pairs and strong draws on the flop, which they will probably often do, and raising looks even less attractive.

Now we really really need to make a strong hand to win. I don't think JTo makes strong hands often enough to play bloat and chase in a 4 to 5 handed pot.

I'm not saying that I never raise JTo in spots like this; I have raised tight passive limpers with all kinds of bad hands, particularly when I have the best position. My experience is that they need to fold quite often postflop in order for raising to have the desired effect and profitability with such hands.