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04-22-2018 , 01:48 PM
9 handed. I have a tight image overall but Button knows I could be raising thin here.

Solid TAG opens button, I 3 bet KK's in SB, BB folds, Button calls....He does not cap here.

2d4c7c...I bet, he calls.

2d4c7cAs...How should I proceed? I don't have tons of hours with the guy. I suspect he would delay his over pairs...I think he raises draws and monsters on the flop....I would think he is peeling close to 100% of his open range which is at least top 50%. I don't know if he delay's draws.

These are only assumptions. Maybe it would be better if you placed yourself in buttons shoes. How would you proceed with different parts of your range which would affect what I should do?

What would you do with AT? 99?

Last edited by mongidig; 04-22-2018 at 01:54 PM.
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04-22-2018 , 01:50 PM
x/c KK
ATo I’d b/c
99 I’d b/f
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04-22-2018 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
9 handed. I have a tight image overall but Button knows I could be raising thin here.

Solid TAG opens button, I 3 bet KK's in SB, BB folds, Button calls....He does not cap here.

2d4c7c...I bet, he calls.

2d4c7cAs...How should I proceed? I don't have tons of hours with the guy. I suspect he would delay his over pairs...I think he raises draws and monsters on the flop....I would think he is peeling close to 100% of his open range which is at least top 50%. I don't know if he delay's draws.

These are only assumptions. Maybe it would be better if you placed yourself in buttons shoes. How would you proceed with different parts of your range which would affect what I should do?

What would you do with AT? 99?
I'd bet call turn with KK

Same for ATo and 99.

I play bad though and hate folding although my WTSD % was still way too low being below 40% if I recall.

With that said, in live 9 handed even if my WTSD % in past online was low, bet calling turn with intention of going to showdown may be a leak on my part since I'm not Pro Crusher like Rodeo.
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04-22-2018 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rodeo
x/c KK
ATo I’d b/c
99 I’d b/f
Yup. 99-KK are pretty damn close on this texture for obvious reasons in terms of what can call you, but 99 also benefits when they toss their 6 outer. When someone folds when you bet KK, it's probably because they had basically no equity and you want to give them rope, or a chance to make second pair.
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04-22-2018 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by maka2184
I'd bet call turn with KK

Same for ATo and 99.

I play bad though and hate folding although my WTSD % was still way too low being below 40% if I recall.

With that said, in live 9 handed even if my WTSD % in past online was low, bet calling turn with intention of going to showdown may be a leak on my part since I'm not Pro Crusher like Rodeo.
Your range is going to have truckloads of Ax when you bet the turn. Is it really that hard to just fold 99 when someone that is competent and cognizant of your strong range raises you? We have plenty of hands that can try and catch bluffs here.
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04-22-2018 , 05:34 PM
Should we be CRing any A's on this turn?

Is AK strong enough to b/3b? How big of an Ace should the button need to raise the turn?

Are there flush draws that we should CR with?
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04-22-2018 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Should we be CRing any A's on this turn?

Is AK strong enough to b/3b? How big of an Ace should the button need to raise the turn?

Are there flush draws that we should CR with?
<Q1 Answer in Regards to C/R Ax Q>
Yes, I think some Ax should be used to C/R turn with. Depends on game flow and how you want the villain to play vs HERO in the future. Regardless in terms of GTO, I imagine there should be some portion of Ax at certain frequency should be C/R ed. I play bad though so don't know off the top of my head nor do I even C/R Ax in real time when I do play 20/40 half kill in HorseShoe Hammond area.

<Question 2 Answer in Regards to B3B AK>
I think AK is strong enough to b/3b.

<Question 3 Answer in Regards to Villain Spot to Raise with Ax>
For BTN (villain's spot) I think I would want at the minimum ATo+ to raise the turn, maybe AJo+. Did not stove or do any calculations using EquiLab, etc, just off top of my head if I was, for example, playing 20/40 half kill right now at the moment.

<Question 4 Answer in Regards to C/R Flush Draw>
Yes, in terms of GTO, I imagine there should be a portion of flush draws at certain frequency should be C/R ed.

Don't know what that would be though since I play bad and is too stingy to buy those GTO calculators DonJuan recommended people to buy since the market is too busy for me to be playing poker at the moment.
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04-22-2018 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
Your range is going to have truckloads of Ax when you bet the turn. Is it really that hard to just fold 99 when someone that is competent and cognizant of your strong range raises you? We have plenty of hands that can try and catch bluffs here.
Thanks for this jdr0317

As I have noted in other threads and this thread, I play bad and am simply a TAG fish in most live games or online LHE games.
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04-30-2018 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by rodeo
x/c KK
ATo I’d b/c
99 I’d b/f
Don't hate this plan. Some comments:

This is a BTN v SB spot. Our range isn't that that ace heavy.
I don't hate trying to go for 3 streets of value with KK.
Folding 99 can be disastrous. Eg if villain is fsdr happy, we bleed ev if we fold against small PPs or 7x. Depends on your game/opponents, but would not make a habit of b/f'ing hands as strong as 99 read less.
AT/AJ is right around my screwplay range. AQ+ can usually b/3b, so the next hands up make sense to try to go for 2bets. Below that are b/calldown aces (AJ, eg, feels too strong to b/calldown)
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