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05-13-2019 , 06:07 PM
Decent lag raises utg plus four.

I three bet ATs from SB. Heads up

Flop is t87 with a flush draw. Bet/call

Turn is king. Bet/call

River is queen.
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05-13-2019 , 06:25 PM
Whats the only hand you beat, A9? Check usually? Bet fold is prob wrong?

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05-13-2019 , 06:26 PM
Maybe he bets 89 river?

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05-13-2019 , 06:34 PM
check/call


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05-13-2019 , 08:18 PM
I don't think any worse hands are calling that river, but you could induce many of them to bet at you.
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05-13-2019 , 09:36 PM
utg+4? You mean the HJ?

JT, T9, 89 might raise the flop some % of the time.

So I'm definitely starting with a check, maybe crying call hoping he turns J8s into a bluff. Or maybe a whiffed FD but there aren't many of those combos left that we beat with his line.

Really depends how polarized or merged he is when he bets this river.

I'm leaning fold here readless.

I think this mostly goes check check when we are ahead, but if we had bet he likely folds.

c/f river feels exploitable though with this hand. Tough spot.
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05-13-2019 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by dboy23
utg+4? You mean the HJ?

JT, T9, 89 might raise the flop some % of the time.

So I'm definitely starting with a check, maybe crying call hoping he turns J8s into a bluff. Or maybe a whiffed FD but there aren't many of those combos left that we beat with his line.

Really depends how polarized or merged he is when he bets this river.

I'm leaning fold here readless.

I think this mostly goes check check when we are ahead, but if we had bet he likely folds.

c/f river feels exploitable though with this hand. Tough spot.
10 handed game and he is 5th to act
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05-14-2019 , 12:52 AM
Check the turn.
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05-19-2019 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by nhggyw
Whats the only hand you beat, A9?
AJ, A9, A8, A7, JTs, J8s, T9s, 98s, 99, (66?).. It also matters some whether OP holds the ace blocker to the flush draw imo
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05-19-2019 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Munga30
Check the turn.


Agree. River I somewhat like check raise
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05-19-2019 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
Agree. River I somewhat like check raise
I guess the king smacks his range pretty hard, but he has s fair amount of ax and one pair hands too.

River I’m not really expecting him to bet/fold any hands that I beat unless he has only a pair of queens.
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05-19-2019 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
I guess the king smacks his range pretty hard, but he has s fair amount of ax and one pair hands too.



River I’m not really expecting him to bet/fold any hands that I beat unless he has only a pair of queens.


My experience is that people act randomly and I never know what they are going to do. It’s quite clear you should check the river and then it’s an argument between the 3 options after he bets. AQ is a reasonable hand for him to have and to bet fold.
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05-22-2019 , 03:06 AM
Is b/f aq really the standard line from villain? I would have guessed it is a bet/call.

I agree that turn is a good card to check and as played agree that river is a somewhat tricky spot. Its just not clear villain has many bluffs, as many 9x hands will take more agressive lines anyway. So if villain probably doesn't have many bluffs, what better hands can hero fold out with q xr? Maybe Qx and jj only? Though to be fair, villain can also call xr with worse hands.

I guess villain could reasonably turn a 7x or 8x hand into a bluff as played too, but how many of those does he have.

Last edited by monikrazy; 05-22-2019 at 03:13 AM.
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05-22-2019 , 07:35 PM
All I know for sure is we have a large range advantage on the river here and we should often check nutty hands on this river card. I speculate we can turn some things into bluffs and he will do poorly bet/calling against us.
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05-25-2019 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Munga30
Check the turn.
Assuming we k/c the turn and we check / villain bets the Q river, what’s our play then?

river k/r, plausibly representing AJ, QT, or QQ?
river k/f, assuming a relatively sticky and passive villain?
river k/c, if villain is extra bluffy? in most live settings, I think this is the worst option.
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05-26-2019 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by harpwalrus
Assuming we k/c the turn and we check / villain bets the Q river, what’s our play then?

river k/r, plausibly representing AJ, QT, or QQ?
river k/f, assuming a relatively sticky and passive villain?
river k/c, if villain is extra bluffy? in most live settings, I think this is the worst option.
I think it's close between kc and kr bluff. I think it's more important (at least I found it harder to do) to recognize that you have to check some value ott so you can have some value kr there.
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05-28-2019 , 02:17 PM
You definitely don’t have to check call turn so you can have some river raises and if you did check call the turn and the river came a 2 it would just suggest you have no check/raises which isn’t a problem. There are tons of situations where none of your range takes a specific line. That isn’t an imbalance.

This river on the other hand connects with a lot of your range so you will have raises for value and AT is a good bluff candidate to offset it. It’s basically this and 99 for realistic ranges you’d 3bet pre.... possibly also includes A9s and 66 but those would be better candidates to bet the river rather than c/r since part of the benefit of checking with 99 and AT is when they check back with worse pairs that A9 and 66 lose to. 99 is IMO superior for raising than TT but the difference is tiny and depending on how many hands you c/r for value it might be optimal to do it with both.
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