Temporarily 4 handed 20/40 must move.

Button is a TAG, seems good.

Button opens, I call in BB with J7o. He probably sees me as A TAG.

T65r...We both check

T65Kr....We both check

T65KJ....B/C? B/F? C/C?

What hands if any should the button have in his flop check back range?

Chk / call
>
Chk / raise

Bet / call

Folding to raise seems mathematically best in such a small pot but inducing bluff raise is awesome since good/bad TAG loves bluffing via fancy play syndrome

Im a calling station though lol

I don't understand. A good TAG shouldn't have FPS. And bad TAGs aren't exactly the types of players who frequently bluff raise; they are usually painfully straightforward.

I think this is close between bet/folding and check/calling. I don't think there is a ton of value here because the button played this hand like he has a weak hand that he thinks can win at showdown but is unlikely to get a call from a worse hand. Most of those hands will presumably fold to a bet or check behind, depending on the action.

I think bet/fold is best, trying to get looked up by ace high or some lower pairs.

OP's description was
"Button is a TAG, seems good"

In my experience 4 handed, a TAG doesn't do as well 4 handed and one of the tendency is that they try to overbluff or bluff in spots they shouldn't be bluffing.

Anything that involves folding just seems subpar 4 handed.

You're probably right though that an actual TAG is too straight forward to bet when chked to on the river.

OP:



Missed your question of what BTN should have in flop chk back range. On T65 rainbow when villain perceives HERO as TAG, I think the answer is none. If I had to assign a range in real time, maybe some very low pocket pairs (44-22), very weak Qx, very weak Jx, very weak suited or unsuited gappers. Not including Kx based on action on turn. Regardless, flop chk screams subpar TAG short handed waiting for main gsme.

Just the flop chk alone 4 handed in a HU pot BTN vs BB of not cbetting flop makes me perceive villain as subpar NIT TAG that is subpar short handed.

b/c

Looks familiar.

A good TAG isn't playing their 9-handed UTG range in a 4-handed game. They're playing their CO and button ranges outside of the blinds, at minimum. And the divergence between a TAG's button and cut off ranges and a a looser player's range is probably at its lowest point in those positions.

You are probably conflating good TAGs with weak/tight players who get chewed up in shorthanded games because they can't just post the blinds once every 20 minutes and hunt for truffles.

Wow.

yeah, wtf

Its been awhile since I've encountered a good TAG in live LHE.

I guess I knew a few in Vegas but they still were weak/tight players in my opinion especially 4 handed.

I guess Ninawilliams on CEREUS was technically best TAG ever but Ninawilliams I imagine would not waste time at 20/40 in MN in lieu of Vegas or California.

Great LAGTAG(s) definitely exists in MN @ Canterbury Park but doubtful they would play below 40/80 and I would not consider them a TAG but a LAGTAG.

That's just my opinion and experiences. This includes player pool both of us are accustomed to around Hammonds Horseshoe 20/40.