My gut said that an A would be a bad card to bet and I wanted to look into it.
First, lets say the board is 9
8
4
3
and we have K
J
So how's this for a starting range:
99-44,ATo-A8o,KJo-KTo,QJo,9As-2As,TKs-8Ks,JQs-9Qs,TJs-9Js,T9s,98s,87s
Let's take out the sets (99,88,44), two pairs (98s)and the flopped overcards (ATo, KJo, three of the KTs), suited aces that miss on the turn (A7cc/ss/dd, A6cc/ss/dd, A5ss/dd, A3ss, A2ss/dd), bare gutshots/overs (QJcc/dd/ss, QTcc/dd/ss), and less than second pair (77-55, A4s) leaving 54 combos,
Pears+ (39): A9,A8,K9s,K8s,Q9s,J9s,T9s,87s
and
Draws (14): A
7
,A
6
,
A
5
,A
5
,A
3:he art:,
A
3
,A
2
,A
2
,K:h eart:T
,
Q
J
,Q
T
,JTs
So then I played around in flopzilla.
J - clearly a great river, we suck out on almost all the pears and beat whatever QJ and JT. If it's the J
and he checks, that probably removes nutflushes, leaving 3 flush and 1 straight combo. Clear value bet.
K - he makes a few more two pairs than with the J and only one top pair that we beat. Same impact on the flush draws. Not as good as the J but still a value bet.
A - This makes 18 combos of two pair. Probably not checking anywhere close to all of these but maybe the notion strikes him for 2 combos worth? Offsuit there's 8 combos of top pair, med to bad kicker and only 15 combo of 9x/8x. If it's the A
, it's 3 top pair and 13 9x/8x. So an offsuit ace is worse than the A
, if it's right to bluff at this distribution at all.
Looking at the A
, there are 18 combos of better hands (2+3+13) and we risk 1 to win 5.75ish so must get 14.8% or >3 combos to fold out. That's all the 87s and one T9s.
Looking at the A
, there are 25 combos (2+8+15) and we'd have to fold out >4 combos or another T9s than the A
.
Soooo, I dunno? Do you think he even folds 8x every time?
All thoughts on this appreciated.
Last edited by Munga30; 01-05-2011 at 07:32 PM.
Reason: suits