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Old 08-18-2018, 10:08 PM   #26
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Re: "Minnesota Nice" Hand

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I wasn’t agreeing with calling 100% PF - I was agreeing with just calling down after the flop raise
I ain't mad atcha.
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Old 08-21-2018, 11:22 PM   #27
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I just call pre (and call with my whole range here).
How come you wouldn't want to 4bet to force the BB out?
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Old 08-22-2018, 12:31 PM   #28
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Re: "Minnesota Nice" Hand

One more comment.

Way too many people here, myself included, have a tendency towards dogmatism.

It's pretty clear that it isn't some criminal mistake and horrible leak to 4-bet, and it isn't some criminal mistake and horrible leak to call the three bets.

If one is more correct than the other, it's only slightly so. So argue your respective cases, but stop overstating the extent of the alleged error.
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Old 08-22-2018, 02:12 PM   #29
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Re: "Minnesota Nice" Hand

I think it's a quite sizable mistake
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Old 08-22-2018, 03:46 PM   #30
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Re: "Minnesota Nice" Hand

i Like he last 2 comments .
I think both are right !
I think it’s a matter of perception .
Profits or mistake of .1% of a BB ( has an example) is not linear for everyone when we put qualitative comments ( great,real bad,etc).
At the highest stakes .1% of a BB is huge while In easier game it ain’t so much .

Better talking with numbers .

For my part , depending how good a player co or bu are, I like calling in sb for playing a bit more hands .

Tho capping is certainly best if they are not better than you postflop when we speak of ´standard’ co or bu 3betting range pf

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Old 08-23-2018, 12:16 AM   #31
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Re: "Minnesota Nice" Hand

So the consensus is three bet more profitable than call. Great. Concur. By how much?
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:27 AM   #32
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Re: "Minnesota Nice" Hand

one of those questions if you want answered you'll have to run the sim yourself
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:28 PM   #33
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Re: "Minnesota Nice" Hand

It's so much more fun to hector someone else into doing it.
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:56 PM   #34
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Re: "Minnesota Nice" Hand



While everyone is sitting with one hand pondering on there chin. I took the time out sitting in my boxer doing some ticking with solver. capping or calling flop is pretty much ev neutral but if you do some looking around there a reason why it better to just call. Pre flop is a clear 4 bet cap but when I say "clear" it make perfect sense for me when I know what the +ev of each hands in the long run and then do some comparing to just flatting and then look at the +ev on each street.
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Old 08-23-2018, 05:02 PM   #35
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Re: "Minnesota Nice" Hand

Also this is one of the rare situation where you can build a good assumption with solver. Otherwise had it been 3 way w no capping pre there would be a lot more guesswork by using monkersolver.
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Old 08-23-2018, 05:34 PM   #36
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So the consensus is three bet more profitable than call. Great. Concur. By how much?
Depends on how much one is going to **** up the hand postflop.
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Old 08-23-2018, 05:34 PM   #37
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I think it's a quite sizable mistake
Sure is.
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Old 08-23-2018, 08:45 PM   #38
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4 bets is not a cap people.

5 bet cap in this room.

Carry on.
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