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05-07-2017 , 09:25 PM

justcool54

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Mainly for softer live 100/200 and up lineups:

If a weaker reg opens MP, along with a weaker reg in the BB, and we are in the HJ/CO, would there be value to having an exploitative flatting range (consisting of hands like QJs, JTs, etc, which the weaker regs wouldn't pick up on initially), or would the three bet or fold strategy of having a range advantage and "kicking out" the small/big blind be better?

Curious of thoughts, especially from some live players

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05-08-2017 , 12:56 AM

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I break the 3bet pre flop "rule" pretty often when Im in the SB and theres a big fish in the BB. They call in that spot close to 100%.

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05-08-2017 , 01:41 AM

6MaxLHE

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If a fish will call a 3! from the BB with J7s, you should be 3ing a reg's CO open from the BTN with QJs. Keeping fish in the pot pre is more based on no limit theory.

In HSLHE we want to charge the fish the max in every situation, especially b/c a reg will be able to assign a capped range based on our cold call preflop.

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05-08-2017 , 12:03 PM

szefezsiro

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Not really. Taking down the bigblind is much better than letting in a semicompetent player with a wider range to hurt your equity.
Coldcalling would make more sense if the original raiser has a so tight range that 3betting doesnt worth it and the bigblind is not likely to fold anyway to a 3bet and you have a hand that plays well multiway.

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05-08-2017 , 12:30 PM

Jon_locke

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Where do these soft 100-200 and up games run? Since there is basically 0-1 of these running anywhere

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05-09-2017 , 02:34 PM

spino1i

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Originally Posted by Jon_locke

Where do these soft 100-200 and up games run? Since there is basically 0-1 of these running anywhere

This

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05-09-2017 , 03:41 PM

OnTheRail15

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I think the most underrated phrase in the OP is "and up".

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05-09-2017 , 11:36 PM

avoidthe9to5

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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15

I think the most underrated phrase in the OP is "and up".

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05-12-2017 , 12:38 AM

justcool54

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Classic 2+2 question getting so many unrelated responses..please dont reply if you dont have anything insightful to say

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05-12-2017 , 12:46 AM

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05-12-2017 , 01:08 AM

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Jon_locke

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Hard to comment without knowing which game you are talking about? Which casino(s) were you referencing?

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05-12-2017 , 01:19 AM

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DrOlson

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He is talking about commerce. I think it would have to be a really fun/recreational player in BB to consider flatting and not just a weaker reg. And if that was the case I'd likely do it with a wider range than you are thinking.

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05-13-2017 , 12:56 PM

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OnTheRail15

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Originally Posted by justcool54

Classic 2+2 question getting so many unrelated responses..please dont reply if you dont have anything insightful to say

Sorry

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05-13-2017 , 04:16 PM

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ZOMG_RIGGED!

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Originally Posted by justcool54

Classic 2+2 question getting so many unrelated responses..please dont reply if you dont have anything insightful to say

You're welcome

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05-13-2017 , 05:22 PM

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Smarty 2.0

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Just do find softest highest limit hold em game in the country and develop an exploitative SB cold calling range against weak regs, solid use of time

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05-14-2017 , 01:53 AM

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stinkypete

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Everything in the OP suggests OP has built a functioning flux capacitor and he's dumb enough to think the best use of it is to go play high stakes limit hold'em in 2005.

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05-14-2017 , 05:01 AM

#17

ZOMG_RIGGED!

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You can't believe everything you see about flux capacitors in the movies. Maybe his ran out of flux

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05-14-2017 , 10:35 AM

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Jon_locke

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or he lives in fresno

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05-14-2017 , 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by justcool54

Classic 2+2 question getting so many unrelated responses..please dont reply if you dont have anything insightful to say

no

gfy

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05-15-2017 , 09:25 PM

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zoogenhiem

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Originally Posted by Jon_locke

or he lives in fresno

Maybe he's the guy in Dear God who had a bus ticket to Fresno.

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06-12-2017 , 09:21 AM

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Ibreakgames

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Yes, it's okay to float sometimes. You give up initiative and you decrease equity by letting other players in. Those are the bad parts. The good parts are that you can slowplay big hands with that style, you can run bluffs on strange boards postflop and you have more implied odds. If you think you know what you're doing well enough, you can get away with a call with virtually any two cards.

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06-13-2017 , 01:29 AM

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If you think you know what you're doing well enough, you can get away with a call with virtually any two cards.

this is why limit hold'em will always be good

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06-13-2017 , 06:16 AM

#23

Ibreakgames

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Originally Posted by stinkypete

this is why limit hold'em will always be good

you don't float?

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06-13-2017 , 07:04 AM

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ZOMG_RIGGED!

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I make a lot of bad peels if that counts

Last edited by ZOMG_RIGGED!; 06-13-2017 at 07:05 AM. Reason: For balance

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06-13-2017 , 09:10 PM

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UpHillBothWays

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If you think you know what you're doing well enough, you can get away with a call with virtually any two cards.

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you don't float?

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