UTG+1 raises. He is very solid and rarely makes mistakes and isn't afraid to take aggressive lines if he thinks he has fold equity. I have 55 in the BB and defend.

Flop comes J77.

I check/call.

Turn is another J and I'm done with the hand except he checks back.

River is a K.

I'd be repping nothing but I'm playing the board. Should I bet? Should I have done something differently at another point in the hand?

I would have C/Red flop, if you did C/R flop, would have bet turn with intention of folding to raise even on that turn.

As played. I would just give up on river and chk fold. Pot is too small where bluffing I dont think has value even if you play the board.

I check/call flop.

I check/fold river. It's a small pot, The K hits his range, He could be v betting an Ace....any pair below 7 is counterfeited, TT+ Or worse may have CR the flop or bet the river...feels like a free roll for him to bet here and hope you play the board.

For similar reasons to above, I don't like a river bluff.

I think this hand isn't very interesting. If you can't have value hands, don't bluff.

But you have found an opportunity to play other parts of your range better. You want to have some value bets when you arrive here this way. You can add some peels on the flop that can either turn some equity or benefit from being given free cards. Check-calling flop with your entire continuing range might make sense.

A bet seems like lighting money on fire to me vs a competent opponent since he really shouldn't have much in his UTG+1 range that isn't calling river.

My instinct is CR flop is really spewy against an utg+1 range

Same. It's a "I don't want any more cards to come" spaz raise for sure. It's really just setting us up to lose bigger pots or fold a winner.

This. Biggest take away from your post is that you think you rep nothing. not saying you should def bluff river, but this isn't true.

x/r’ing 55 isn’t optimal imo.

If you don’t have a 3bet range pre flop, you can totally rep Kx on the river. AK, KQ, KT, K9s-KXs(whatever the worst suited K you play pre flop). You can also rep some 7x. I x/r most of my 7x here, but I would delay a combo or two of 7x, and a river bet can be representative of those hands. You’re pretty much at the bottom of your range. I don’t think bluffing here is terrible.

Good point!

I think these "playing the board" situations raise two issues:

1. Making sure you are representing something, which is what I think your post answers conclusively and is really good on.

2. Not over-bluffing. Basically the more hands you have in your range that play the board, the more you have to check back and possibly lose and chop some showdowns.

Think of the extreme case. Let's say the board is AAKKQ. A player who tries a bluff every time he is playing the board is probably over-bluffing, right? It's just a ridiculously exploitable play.

So I think what you want to do is count your combos and come up with a reasonable bluffing range, while also checking back some likely losing/chopping hands.

Seem like every guess work isn't optimal in overall GTO term. This flop structure call a very aggressive c/r or fold. GTO is only calling 5%-9% of range. It Ev on flop calling and raising are quite close with raising being a tiny bit more +Ev. Forcing BB to have more calling range with PP-KTx type seem to be highly exploitable. Probably means later street BB is in no man zone with those hands. Btw this is with BB having 100% flatting range vs utg and an actually 3b range in BB(GTO)

Also please don't trust all my words do your own research. Lack of creativity is what wrong with the current state of lhe. Even before I sim I felt like c/c down was the correct play.

Agree that being close to c/r or fold is good on dry flops.

I tend to c/c most paired boards heads up regardless of holdings and delay value and bluffs until the turn. I'm unsure if this is correct but in this instance I think it pays off for me.

Thanks DonJuan.

Noted and will do my own research as reccomend.

With that said I will take your word close to 100% of the time. Same for any OnTheRail15, BicycleKick, Scheids, Unguarded, etc responses. Will attempt to still research on own though regardles.

I think that's what many does especially vs winning LAGTAG that isn't afraid to take aggressive line if villain thinks there is fold equity vs HERO.

If it pays off for you I would keep doing what works for you.

I personally change between flop c/r and chk/call to delay value raise delay bluff raise based on meta/hand history vs villain.

I prefer flop c/r route because with the value portion, you can bet/3bet turn and if you bluff c/r flop with air turns into mega draw on turn, you can bet/3bet turn if villain is aggressive with bluffs such as an aggro LAGTAG.

I'm not sure what donjuan said. I read it a few times.

I'm intrigued if he's saying gto raises here on the flop. I would have check called for sure.

He’s saying gto has very few check calls on dry boards. I’m fairly surprised too. Perhaps he specifically meant when ep raiser has a strong range advantage? I could understand that I suppose.

It seem like there a certain pair board where BB is just playing a straight c/r or fold whether it vs EP or Btn. If you were to force more C/C range it will lose +ev and can be highly exploitable. I guess it doesn't matter before since everyone took turn benefiting from it(initial raise) and lose extra(BB).

Forgive the derail. What solver do you use DonJuan? PokerSnowie, PIOSolver, or something else?

I think monkersolver is the new hotness

It's good for PLO or games where they already have trees to work with, but not limit hold'em.