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08-11-2022 , 12:43 PM
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mongidig
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Very loose LAG/TAG opens button, I call in BB with Jc8c. He is mostly firing again on the turn but will check sometimes. He probably sees me as an average TAG.

Kd3c4h..I check, He bets.

Is this a peel or CR or fold?
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08-11-2022 , 05:34 PM
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Been out of the forum loop for a long time. These days, when people say "very loose" does that mean correctly opening the button, or opening something like 75%
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08-11-2022 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Very loose LAG/TAG opens button, I call in BB with Jc8c. He is mostly firing again on the turn but will check sometimes. He probably sees me as an average TAG.

Kd3c4h..I check, He bets.

Is this a peel or CR or fold?
I’m gonna go with fold. If I wanted to get creative with a backdoor bluff, I want to have a chance to turn a straight draw too.
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08-11-2022 , 08:51 PM
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As played, this has to be a fold. If the button is really too loose, you could consider 3betting preflop and barreling off with your full range. It would make you easier to play against in some spots but overall if your range is tighter, you win dollars.
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08-11-2022 , 10:34 PM
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As played, this has to be a fold. If the button is really too loose, you could consider 3betting preflop and barreling off with your full range. It would make you easier to play against in some spots but overall if your range is tighter, you win dollars.
Even when I employ a mixed strategy out of the bb, not sure if J8s makes the cut for 3betting. We just flop nothing way too often to make it profitable.
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08-15-2022 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw
Even when I employ a mixed strategy out of the bb, not sure if J8s makes the cut for 3betting. We just flop nothing way too often to make it profitable.
One man's nothing is another man's treasure. J8s is in the mix for BB vs. BU, but it's not mandatory.
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08-15-2022 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Very loose LAG/TAG opens button, I call in BB with Jc8c. He is mostly firing again on the turn but will check sometimes. He probably sees me as an average TAG.

Kd3c4h..I check, He bets.

Is this a peel or CR or fold?
Mix of Peel and c/r flop.

Never folding PF or flop.

Low % I'll call down unimproved based on run out. Generally chk/call flop > chk / fold turn for me.
Last edited by maka2184; 08-15-2022 at 08:11 PM. Reason: DonJuan #1 AINEC
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08-15-2022 , 10:50 PM
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U must not face heavy double barreler
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08-21-2022 , 02:37 AM
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U must not face heavy double barreler
Loose LAGTAG in games I play are double barrelers.

However, generally able to get 3 bets via c/r turn vbet rivet on Jx,8x on

Kd3c4h

Per game flow, I'd c/r, b3b, chk/c club turn with Jc8c vs Loose LAGTAG.

c/r > chk/c > b3b on club turn vs Loose LAGTAG in 20/40 half kill game I play when seat available.

OT:
100% b3b vs Ninefingershuffle on club turn since no gamble no future & donations
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