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Overlimping Trash -- How Low Do You Go? Overlimping Trash -- How Low Do You Go?

10-22-2021 , 05:54 PM
In live games we often see three people limping ahead of us, bless their hearts.

Do we overlimp A5o? J7s? T9o? K7o? 54s?

I'd be interested to read how low people go in this scenario.

I regularly see people limp a range like this:
77-22,ATs-A2s,K2s+,Q2s+,J3s+,T4s+,95s+,85s+,74s+,64s+,53s+,A Jo-A2o,K8o+,Q8o+,J7o+,T7o+,97o+,87o,76o

Against three limpers with that range, equities are:
A2s 27%
A5o, J8s 25%
Q5s 24%
T9o 23%
K7o 22%

Assume we are not in a blind, although the SB would be another interesting discussion.
10-22-2021 , 09:58 PM
raw hot/cold equity is not the most useful factor here imo

i think playability is more important

i'd much rather have 54s than k7o or a2o or whatever

depending on your position you may even choose to raise some things, in order to buy the button

and with a certain table dynamic this also often gets you a four card flop
10-23-2021 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood Overlimping Trash -- How Low Do You Go?
In live games we often see three people limping ahead of us, bless their hearts.

Do we overlimp A5o? J7s? T9o? K7o? 54s?

I'd be interested to read how low people go in this scenario.

I regularly see people limp a range like this:
77-22,ATs-A2s,K2s+,Q2s+,J3s+,T4s+,95s+,85s+,74s+,64s+,53s+,A Jo-A2o,K8o+,Q8o+,J7o+,T7o+,97o+,87o,76o

Against three limpers with that range, equities are:
A2s 27%
A5o, J8s 25%
Q5s 24%
T9o 23%
K7o 22%

Assume we are not in a blind, although the SB would be another interesting discussion.
If itís a 9 handed game or 8 handed game, the minimum position is MP. The plan from MP vs button or CO is much different. From the button, we can play a lot more trash. In the MP, we have to be a lot more cautious about the people behind us, many of whom might play aggressive from 20/40+.

Iím assuming you are talking about a very loose/passive game. We can play almost any suited q, k, or a, and may even want to raise with most suited aces from late position. Any pair 99ís or lower can be raised or limped, and you should probably have a mix of both for deception. TT+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, 9Ts+, Aqo+ seems like a good raising range, with some other reasonable hands mixed in to balance if people are paying attention.

We should mostly avoid hands that donít flop well multiway. There are tons of RIO from limp-happy players who might limp better hands than you ranged out, there are pre-flop traps, and there are people behind us who can wake up with a hand. That being said, suited and connected is worth playing in position, and we should also be aware of how players play after the flop.
10-26-2021 , 04:34 PM
You bless their hearts but then make the same mistake you're prescribing them as having made. I am all for splashing around in great position but it just seems like trying to reinvent a very solved wheel.
10-27-2021 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by RosaParks1 Overlimping Trash -- How Low Do You Go?
You bless their hearts but then make the same mistake you're prescribing them as having made. I am all for splashing around in great position but it just seems like trying to reinvent a very solved wheel.
Limping and overlimping are different.
Today , 05:58 PM
assuming you are in middle late to late position, raise suited stuff and fold offsuit junk.

your suited hands benefit greatly from realizing their equity which means that unless people are donking into the raiser or 3 betting preflop a lot you should be raising most if not all hands you want to play in order to see 4 card flops and to build the pot so that you get paid when you hit your longshots.

you will also look reckless and stupid to some players which means they will play worse against you.

Last edited by NittyOldMan1; Today at 06:04 PM.

      
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