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1- I don't even know where to begin: c-r flop is somewhere between slightly bad (if you consider the hand in isolation) and horrible (if you consider how it effects your c-c range. Leading the river is the same.

2- Please try to explain why not 3betting the BB is bad generally.

3- On what board are we turning a pair into a bluff here? Seriously?

1- Maybe, but that assumes people have ranges, and aren't mostly always terrible.
2- Agree, and 3 betting pre also would make OP's postflop situation like this become less clumsy.
3- not many. Additionally, there's prob not a lot of greatness with any line decision in this hand. If anything, the most +EV that could maybe come out of this is appearing we overplay HU in hopefulness that villain gets tilted for the remainder of the session.

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10-29-2014 , 01:27 PM

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RLjolt

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Originally Posted by steveistheman84

i hope you're not under the impression that i'm advocating turning this hand into a bluff. i'm saying, that when you c/r a flop, it's with the intention of betting twice more (either for value or as a bluff), and in this case, if dude's intention is to bet twice more (not sure why someone would c/r planning on donk checking the majority of runouts), it's going to morph from a value hand into a bluff somewhere between the turn and river most of the time (which is really bad).

What do we expect villains range to be here?

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10-29-2014 , 02:33 PM

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steveistheman84

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Originally Posted by RLjolt

What do we expect villains range to be here?

seems kind of irrelevant. what is YOUR range?

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10-29-2014 , 06:01 PM

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LessLurkMorePost

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Originally Posted by RLjolt

1. Everybody has ranges. Sometimes they're weighted and sometimes they're wide, but there's always a range.

2. He was asking you to explain why you think 3betting the big blind is a good idea (why not 3betting the BB is bad = why 3betting the BB is good).

3. There's certainly some sort of line or combination of lines that is best. I highly doubt that villain is going to go on tilt for a session because we defend the A2s and then raise with a pair... And if he does, then he's just life tilted and any line would tilt him.

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10-29-2014 , 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by steveistheman84

seems kind of irrelevant. what is YOUR range?

Never irrelevant. Our range preflop is certainly wide. Our continuing range is probably much less so.

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11-01-2014 , 02:13 AM

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RLjolt

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Originally Posted by LessLurkMorePost

2. He was asking you to explain why you think 3betting the big blind is a good idea (why not 3betting the BB is bad = why 3betting the BB is good).

Because when we call and flop a pair our only options for the rest of the hand stink.

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11-01-2014 , 02:41 AM

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RLjolt

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Originally Posted by steveistheman84

seems kind of irrelevant. what is YOUR range?

probably folding A2 pre here, since everyone seems to have established villain has better than a pair of 2's and most likely an A in hand as well.

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11-04-2014 , 09:39 AM

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Hero Value

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Originally Posted by phunkphish

Re: flop x/r

Don't x/r. you want showdown hands to balance the times you have unshowdown gutshots. The 8-J is also good for his range. I would x/r on 25J 26J or 2JK though.

Why do you say this exact flop texture? I'd be way more likely to x raise the first 2 than 2JK ainec. That is even more of a spot where we would be merge-turning our hand into a bluff imo.

And as for rest of the thread, I pretty much agree with all of LLMP and Steve's posts, and think RLJolt is way off here on the 3 points. And also I'm pretty sure that not defending A2s vs a co open is a mistake. It definitely hasn't been "established by everyone" that co either has a better A or higher pair. Hence for one thing people largely saying to x-call river so we get that value from his bluffs.

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11-04-2014 , 10:47 AM

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RLjolt

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Originally Posted by Hero Value

I only said fold because it seemed like posters know something about hero's range that we do not. That said, what specifically do you believe makes x/c through the river so optimal? And can we assume villain is just bluff barreling all day? What happens if turn and river come's 9T, QK, KT etc?

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11-03-2017 , 03:46 PM

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RLjolt

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Originally Posted by RLjolt

Bumping my question before 3 years pass. Looking back, I would say my logic was the worst of anyone else here.

Albeit, the 3/6-5/10 games on Bovada at the time was full of tilty trainwrecks. So maybe I was right sometimes to x/r last pairs for value.

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