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10-18-2008 , 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by leo doc
I cannot understand why people don't.
QFT
10-18-2008 , 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by StrictlyStrategy
i meant october

i dont know what aggreegrate is but i think those are fruits im not supposed to eat or something.

losing 100BB 6 out of 12 days is hella beatsauce

bleh
It's when you agree on the size of the cheese grater.
10-18-2008 , 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by private joker
Tilt.
QFT imo. 205 big bets in 45 hours you've almost gotta be doing something wrong. Sorry cat...I could be wrong, but until it happens to me I assume that to be true. After it happens to me, I'll just assume you're not very awesome, like me.
10-18-2008 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DesertCat
Is it kick the cat day? You know, if I was too sensitive, I could interpret your post as "I like the cat, but cat is dumb, cat is bad, but at least cat realizes how dumb and bad he is so it's not all is lost, he might get less bad someday" The good news is I'm not sensitive and appreciate the compliment.

As I said on the other thread, I can replenish my bankroll at will. I was too impatient to build up a proper bankroll at 8-16 for the 20, so I went in light and did well at first. But I did it three years after being a full time 3-6 multi-tabler online and didn't really work on my game. So I had all the leaks I had in those easy days on Party Poker, plus the looseness that came from my no limit years.

And not sure why you think I don't know whether I'm up or down, I may have joked about it but I log every session and have for four years, three of them winners and this one will be when I pull my head out of my a**. I know how much I make per hour in every game I play. I'm making $40 per hour playing 10-150 this year, $6 per hour in the 20-40, and am a massive loser at tournies, omaha, low limit holdem, 5-150, etc. I have been losing all year, caught up about two months ago, fell back again, caught up again a few weeks ago, and now I'm well under water.

I feel very torn about poker. I have a semi full time job with very flexible hours, and another serious hobby. I feel like poker suffers because I don't treat it like a job, I don't study hard enough. Maybe the answer is to quit, but I'm slowly drifting towards treating it more and more like a serious job because it appears I can no longer win just coasting, and it would bug me to go out a loser. I really want to play well, be a legitimate winning player at the highest levels CasinoAZ offers, and only then will I accept quitting.
And now I formally feel like an as**ole.
10-18-2008 , 03:38 AM
And in closing. Hank, you me come come commerce Sunday night?
10-18-2008 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jesse8888
QFT imo. 205 big bets in 45 hours you've almost gotta be doing something wrong. Sorry cat...I could be wrong, but until it happens to me I assume that to be true. After it happens to me, I'll just assume you're not very awesome, like me.
not to be a dick but you are in for some very serious and very upsetting surprises.

205BB will happen to you in good live games, more even. It's soooooo much worse live too cuz you just sit there and fold for hours after you lose yet another pot and then drive home feeling like crap.

Just warning you don't omgfreak when you run in to a big downer and feel like you can't do anything right, that stuff can happen to anyone and happens to everyone.
10-18-2008 , 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by StrictlyStrategy
not to be a dick but you are in for some very serious and very upsetting surprises.

205BB will happen to you in good live games, more even. It's soooooo much worse live too cuz you just sit there and fold for hours after you lose yet another pot and then drive home feeling like crap.

Just warning you don't omgfreak when you run in to a big downer and feel like you can't do anything right, that stuff can happen to anyone and happens to everyone.
I just used this with my current win rate and StDev (which admittedly might be bs). I ran 10 simulations of 1500 hours and saw exactly 2 down swings of 200 big bets (about 8K) or more. That's two down swings of such a magnitude in 8 years of 35 hour a week play. So....Strictly is right, and I am thusly terrified.
10-18-2008 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by jesse8888
I just used this with my current win rate and StDev (which admittedly might be bs). I ran 10 simulations of 1500 hours and saw exactly 2 down swings of 200 big bets (about 8K) or more. That's two down swings of such a magnitude in 8 years of 35 hour a week play. So....Strictly is right, and I am thusly terrified.
hmm


so 1:4?

Give me 2:1 on you losin 200BB between jan and jan of 09 and 10
prop bet yo

Last edited by StrictlyStrategy; 10-18-2008 at 04:29 AM.
10-18-2008 , 04:42 AM
EDIT: again im not trying to sound douchey, propbetting is fun!
10-18-2008 , 05:36 AM
I OBV Run goooooooooooooooooooooot

Seat 1: pauly9214 (6781 in chips)
Seat 2: smoker1968 (9027 in chips)
Seat 3: that_pope (2578 in chips)
Seat 4: DanThorpedo (4608 in chips)
Seat 5: fmmxx (2408 in chips)
Seat 6: AmericnEagle (2839 in chips)
Seat 7: HTownKid23 (1795 in chips)
Seat 8: nobody96 (7282 in chips)
DanThorpedo: posts the ante 60
fmmxx: posts the ante 60
AmericnEagle: posts the ante 60
HTownKid23: posts the ante 60
nobody96: posts the ante 60
pauly9214: posts the ante 60
smoker1968: posts the ante 60
that_pope: posts the ante 60
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to pauly9214 [2h]
Dealt to smoker1968 [Th]
Dealt to that_pope [6h 2s 6s]
Dealt to DanThorpedo [Jh]
Dealt to fmmxx [Kd]
Dealt to AmericnEagle [2d]
Dealt to HTownKid23 [4c]
Dealt to nobody96 [Qs]
AmericnEagle: brings in for 90
HTownKid23: calls 90
nobody96: folds
pauly9214: calls 90
smoker1968: folds
that_pope: calls 90
DanThorpedo: folds
fmmxx: raises 210 to 300
AmericnEagle: folds
HTownKid23: calls 210
pauly9214: folds
that_pope: calls 210
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to that_pope [6h 2s 6s] [6d]
Dealt to fmmxx [Kd] [4d]
Dealt to HTownKid23 [4c] [Js]
Pair on board - a double bet is allowed
that_pope: bets 600
fmmxx: calls 600
HTownKid23: raises 600 to 1200
that_pope: calls 600
fmmxx: calls 600
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to that_pope [6h 2s 6s 6d] [5d]
Dealt to fmmxx [Kd 4d] [8c]
Dealt to HTownKid23 [4c Js] [Td]
that_pope: bets 600
fmmxx: calls 600
HTownKid23: calls 235 and is all-in
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to that_pope [6h 2s 6s 6d 5d] [5s]
Dealt to fmmxx [Kd 4d 8c] [Kh]
Dealt to HTownKid23 [4c Js Td] [9s]
that_pope: bets 418 and is all-in
fmmxx: calls 248 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (170) returned to that_pope
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to that_pope [6h 2s 6s 6d 5d 5s] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
fmmxx: shows [Qc Qd Kd 4d 8c Kh 7c] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
that_pope: shows [6h 2s 6s 6d 5d 5s 8d] (a full house, Sixes full of Fives)
that_pope collected 1226 from side pot
HTownKid23: shows [9c Jc 4c Js Td 9s Jd] (a full house, Jacks full of Nines)
HTownKid23 collected 5865 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7091 Main pot 5865. Side pot 1226. | Rake 0
10-18-2008 , 06:14 AM
Tonight I played, without a doubt, the worst poker I've played in months.











And I did it at 60/120.













And I won $1,300.

10-18-2008 , 06:16 AM
Key hand that sent me straight to the wall to get 3 empty racks so I would stop myself from butchering yet another hand:

Folded to me in CO and I raise JTo. A guy who has 3-bet me every single time I've opened it seems, 3-bets me again. I decide I'm winning this pot so f*ck him.

Flop comes AT5 and I decide he has 99 so I c/r. He calls, so I decide he has QQ and I'm gonna get him off it. Turn is a K. I bet, he calls. River Q. I bet, he cries and calls. AQs no good sir.

Deal me out, please.
10-18-2008 , 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jesse8888
And in closing. Hank, you me come come commerce Sunday night?
make it happen! cdc and i will be at commerce monday through whenever we get tired of living in the casino
10-18-2008 , 07:41 AM
Wow.

I just used that tool using my w/r and sd (2.86/27). It shows at least one 80K breakeven stretch, & one 700+ downswing. Strangely, it made me want to play.
10-18-2008 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JJH3984
Wow.

I just used that tool using my w/r and sd (2.86/27). It shows at least one 80K breakeven stretch, & one 700+ downswing. Strangely, it made me want to play.
I wish I needed a stat tool to tell me how long it's possible to play breakeven/barely winning poker.

"...but the truth is there is only the hand you are playing."
10-18-2008 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by StrictlyStrategy
hmm


so 1:4?

Give me 2:1 on you losin 200BB between jan and jan of 09 and 10
prop bet yo
I'll consider it. And we'd need some sort of terms and conditions based on the number of hours I'd have to play. By then I'd like to be playing a good bit of 40, and obviously that changes things drastically.
10-18-2008 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bakku
make it happen! cdc and i will be at commerce monday through whenever we get tired of living in the casino
OK seriously who wants to drive down to Commerce Monday? Are you guys flying?
10-18-2008 , 02:51 PM
Ooooh ooooooh oooooh!

Forgot one of the most magnificent hands ever from last night at HP. Sort of tight guy thats not nearly tight enough raises UTG+1. I should note that he's already shown cracked pocket aces twice tonight and I think kings as well. Only caller is the big blind who is very very bad at poker. Flop is two nines and a brick. BB checks, PFR bets, BB calls. Turn is a third nine and action is the same. River goes check check. PFR shows down AA and BB shows K9.

Yay!
10-18-2008 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sternroolz
Ooooh ooooooh oooooh!

Forgot one of the most magnificent hands ever from last night at HP. Sort of tight guy thats not nearly tight enough raises UTG+1. I should note that he's already shown cracked pocket aces twice tonight and I think kings as well. Only caller is the big blind who is very very bad at poker. Flop is two nines and a brick. BB checks, PFR bets, BB calls. Turn is a third nine and action is the same. River goes check check. PFR shows down AA and BB shows K9.

Yay!
It would have been simpler for BB to bet/3-bet the flop and then just turn his hand face up while the dealer was putting the turn card out. Also would have been funnier and he'd have made just as much money.
10-18-2008 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jesse8888
QFT imo. 205 big bets in 45 hours you've almost gotta be doing something wrong. Sorry cat...I could be wrong, but until it happens to me I assume that to be true. After it happens to me, I'll just assume you're not very awesome, like me.
must be nice to run like god on a scooter
10-18-2008 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by StrictlyStrategy
hmm


so 1:4?

Give me 2:1 on you losin 200BB between jan and jan of 09 and 10
prop bet yo
The only way to actually do this fairly, unfortunately, is for me to be constantly aware of my exact maximum winnings at any time and my current stack size (doing it only on session lines gives me a huge advantage, as I could just play for 20 hours to try to get above the minimum number).

Also, since I am a tool, I ran the numbers myself assuming my results for an hour are Gaussian, and have determined that my chance of a 200 big bet down swing in the next 1500 hours is about 35%. So 2:1...shockingly fair for a number you pulled out of your butt. I don't think the "Gaussian" thing holds though....

If anyone is interested....

int twoHundoLosers = 0;

for (int k = 0; k <10000; k++){

double totalWinnings = 0.0;
double stDev = 456.71;
double mean = 57.75;
int hours = 1500;
Random r = new Random();
double maxWinnings = 0;
double maxLoss = 0;

for (int i = 0; i < hours; i++) {
double seed = r.nextGaussian();
double winnings = seed*stDev + mean;
totalWinnings = totalWinnings + winnings;

if (totalWinnings > maxWinnings) {
maxWinnings = totalWinnings;
} else {
double currentSwong = maxWinnings - totalWinnings;
if (currentSwong > maxLoss) {
maxLoss = currentSwong;
}
}

//System.out.println("Session Winnings = " + winnings);
//System.out.println("Total Winnings = " + totalWinnings);
//System.out.println("Max Loss = " + maxLoss);
//System.out.println("");
}
if (maxLoss > 8000) {
twoHundoLosers++;
}

}

System.out.println(twoHundoLosers);
10-18-2008 , 04:27 PM
i didnt pull it out of my butt if the odds are 1 in for and you're laying it at one in three i figured that'd be good for you since you have an edge.
10-18-2008 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jesse8888
OK seriously who wants to drive down to Commerce Monday? Are you guys flying?
Did someone say Roadtrip? That could be fun.
10-18-2008 , 06:35 PM
Browsing through the "upcoming releases" section of online book site shows almost no new books upcoming. But I ran into two titles I was not previously even aware of:

Holdem on the Come by Slotboom
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Hol...9781904468233/

Limit Holdem by Borer
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Lim...9781904468370/

Anyone read, or even looked at in the store and put back?
10-18-2008 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jesse8888
I just used this with my current win rate and StDev (which admittedly might be bs). I ran 10 simulations of 1500 hours and saw exactly 2 down swings of 200 big bets (about 8K) or more. That's two down swings of such a magnitude in 8 years of 35 hour a week play. So....Strictly is right, and I am thusly terrified.
Obviously having a high winrate and low standard deviation is the key.

Decrease your winrate by 10% and increase the StDev by 10% and then run those simulations again!

Please let use know how many 200 BB downswings you see.

      
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