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10-31-2008 , 12:51 AM

Captain R

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Bay101 40/80:

Villain is R.U./Borat the floorman. He is generally laggy, and is kind of on tilt right now being stuck a rack. Borat views me as tight and solid and respects my big street raises, although he is rather loose-aggressive postflop and in general not the foldy type.

Borat opens UTG (wide range), folded to SB who cold-calls, I call K

in BB.

Flop: 8

(3 players, 6 sb)
SB checks, I check, Borat bets, SB folds, I call.

Turn: K

(2 players, 4 bb)
I check, Borat bets, I think for a while and call planning to donk most rivers.

River 5

(2 players 6 bb)
I bet.

Did I misplay every postflop street?

Last edited by Captain R; 10-31-2008 at 01:00 AM.

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10-31-2008 , 01:02 AM

private joker

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Just raise the turn. If he's not the foldy type, then bet your hand. C/R or B/C the turn are better plays than C/C i think. Especially because the board is kind of straight drawy.

As played, the river is kind of interesting. He might check behind marginal showdown hands that you want to get value from with a bet, but he also might bluff a lot of his garbage trying to rep a straight. Not sure what the right play is there... but I would definitely c/r the turn, or at least donk it.

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10-31-2008 , 01:27 AM

StrictlyStrategy

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If you aren't raising this turn then you should fold the flop.

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10-31-2008 , 03:02 AM

jesse8888

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Originally Posted by StrictlyStrategy

If you aren't raising this turn then you should fold the flop.

I'm kind of with SS here. You don't have odds to draw if you're not going to try to put in more money with the hand. I'd have donked the turn and called down a raise. The river, as played, I think I'd check/call to try to get him to bluff. What's he paying you off with? You're a blind and he's not stupid and there's 4 to a straight on the board.

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10-31-2008 , 03:21 AM

StrictlyStrategy

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man c/r the turn ainec unless he's like super anti SD bound and will just snapfold QQ face up to show you how pro he is.

the river bet is OK imo, nobody's folding two nines here.

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10-31-2008 , 10:59 AM

Jazzy3113

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wtf kind of flop float is that. i dont see how that is ever correct. literally drawing to nothing against a player you claim likes to call down. then you hit the three outer you wanted and dont raise. i am surprised the above posters all seem to not really mind the float.

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10-31-2008 , 11:29 AM

HammerinHank

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Against a lag i check the river and let him barrel off

I fold preflop with an easily dominated hand but if you really think he's tilt/raising any two, meh

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10-31-2008 , 11:30 AM

Captain R

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Assuming Borat c-bets the turn almost always, I think donking the turn cannot possibly be the right play, but check-raising is probably what I should have done.

Flop float is pretty light, but getting 7:1 closing the action against a light raiser on tilt...

but you're right, it's probably a long term losing play.

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10-31-2008 , 12:53 PM

Tryptamean

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I think the flop play is fine, but kinda close... Imo this all comes down to how often you get to see the river cheap.. I expect most players to give a free card at least some amount of the time, even lags on tilt, although less than average in that case.. if u think he 2barrells almost always, then I'd just fold flop, feeling pretty dirty/weak about it

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10-31-2008 , 01:07 PM

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RudeboyOi

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given that the flop is drawy

i think he'll bet the turn a high percentage of the time

where you can then spring for a checkraise

as for peeling the flop

super easy peel vs this particular villian

if his range is indeed very wide

i may even calldown with Khi if board pairs and/or bricks fall

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10-31-2008 , 02:23 PM

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FondueBar

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Originally Posted by Captain R

Turn: K

(2 players, 4 bb)
I check, Borat bets, I think for a while and call planning to donk most rivers.

River 5

(2 players 6 bb)
I bet.

If you still bet on the fourth straight card, what rivers were you planning not to bet? I'd say make the decision easier, get the money in when you think you're ahead, and c/r the turn.

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10-31-2008 , 03:06 PM

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If folded to me leaving HU vs Borat, I would float the flop here, but only because it's him. I would have c/r the turn though, even though I know that he could 3-bet with Ace high.

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10-31-2008 , 03:09 PM

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StrictlyStrategy

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wtf is this float stuff

also the fact that he can 3b a wide range should make c/r way more good than just c/c

I'd fold the flop against a lot of people but against a tilting douche I'd call fo sho

fo sho

im callin dat fo sho

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10-31-2008 , 07:08 PM

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Captain R

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Originally Posted by HammerinHank

I fold preflop with an easily dominated hand

Nit

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