Villain is a late 30s Asian guy who isn't really LAG, isn't TAG. He opened 96s UTG+1 an orbit or so ago and will stab at pots (i.e. he openlimped in MP, flop is 554 and both blinds check, he bets) in obvious situations. But otherwise nothing of note. He isn't good, isn't terrible, just kinda a small 0.25-0.4 BB/hr. loser probably.

Villain opens UTG+2, his range is (my best guess) something like:

77+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,J9s+,T8s+,96s+,86s+,76s,A4o+,KT o+,QTo+

SB cold-calls. SB is kind of a straightforward ABC tight-passiveish skinny white guy wearing glasses. I'd estimate his range as:

88-44,ATs-A3s,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,AQo-ATo,KTo+,QJo

I call 53 in BB.

Flop: 965 (3 players, 6 sb)
Checked to villain who will bet his whole range, SB calls, I call. SB is probably just continuing to call his pf entire range except top pair+, which he would c/r.

Turn: 7
We both check.

Am I supposed to be taking more aggressive action at some point?

Stoves:

I c/r the flop.

I can't see any good reason for this... I am actually thinking to fold turn.

Then why call preflop? For straight + flush + 2p + trips value?

Is this not enough equity on the flop?

The best reason is that they most like both totally bricked the flop and I don't want to take a passive line with a vulnerable hand. Otherwise you have to fold this preflop.

EDIT: Actually our equity is stronger with K9s and A9s removed from SBs flop c/c range.

We are OOP, it is easy for both vills to have more than 10 collective outs against us, they almost never fold. There are tons of bad for us turn cards. These considerations are stronger, IMHO, then flop equity computation. We are not playing a single street game here.

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I think this is an orthogonal question to the question of how we should behave on this flop.

I was quite frankly shocked by how good our equity is on this flop when I stoved it, and I guess it's because of the huge number of broadway cards villain has that missed the flop.

C/r'ing the flop seemed super-freakin' marginal at the time, I mean c/r the flop with bottom bottom in a 3-way pot?

i wouldn't c/r the flop

villain's range seems too wide. just cause he raised 96s once doesn't mean all those combos should be fully weighted (you've seen him limp as well). With some guys, you can sometimes anticipate when they're about to open wide.

I would just call the flop. You may have decent equity, but the turn might be tricky to play. You'll be peeling here often so it's good to have some pairs in your range.

I would donk the turn. I would expect the SB to donk with two pair or straights and maybe he would have raised the flop with his draws. It will be difficult for either player to call with UIP overs. You may get a better hand to fold and you did pick up a little bit of a draw.

Check raising the flop is pretty bad in my opinion. I think the only aggressive action you can take is leading the turn. In most games I think leading out with a straight is the best play since so many people check behind scare cards like this. So here I think leading out to represent the straight would cause all the nothing hands to fold to you. I think even some better hands might fold here also depending on your image. If you're called I would bet any river 5 or 3 or check fold if you don't improve.

way to much equity to fold this

u said vil will bet his entire range in wich this flop and turn missed most of
my concern here would lie more with how sb plays this 1 than our raiser

Would donking the flop be awful?

Yep, I agree with the doctor on all of these points.

I haven't made up my mind on a turn donk. I mean, we're value-bluffing I guess? I don't expect better hands to fold too often and worse hands are definitely folding.

The part that seems strange to me is that when we c/c the flop, OK fine, I can get on board with that. Then the second worst possible turn card comes off. An Ace is worse, but this/an 8 is probably the next worst possible turn card and now we bet.

Seemed like a weird spot, that actually has come up several times for me.

exactly, this is the reason why I said I'd consider folding turn in my first response to the OP.
I really don't get the reason for donking the turn, but once ppl like Boc agree with it, I just get yet another proof how badly I suck at pokers.

As an aside, if the tight white guy is to our left rather than the SB, then i would be more apt to check raise as we'll see decent increase in equity by knocking him out ... 42ish to 55ish

3 way

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

42,661,332 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 965

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
77-AA,A4-AK,A2s,A3s,KT+,QT+,96s-Q9s,86s-J9s,76s-QJs	34.78%	14,548,739	683,218
3c5c	41.86%	17,721,868	377,476
44-88,ATs-A3s,K9s,QT+,AQ-AT,KT+,JTs,QJ-KQ	23.36%	9,679,905	679,091

Heads up

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

295,020 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 965

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
77-AA,A4-AK,A2s,A3s,KT+,QT+,96s-Q9s,86s-J9s,76s-QJs	44.88%	130,752	3,307
3c5c	55.12%	160,961	3,307

Sorta like value-bluffing but not really. I guess since I can't come up with the exact right term right now value-bluffing will have to do. Even if you don't expect better hands to fold that often you have the best hand a significant percentage of the time and you are betting on a board where your opponents have to play pretty honestly against you. You make it sound like getting worse hands to fold is a bad thing. It isn't. Almost all the worse hands have six outs against you and can be fairly easily eliminated just by betting the turn. Seems worth it to me.

I don't see why you think the turn is such a bad card. Of the 3 of you your hand range is the widest preflop. Even they know that. It is almost impossible for them to play back at you and get you to fold the best hand. So take advantage of that. I would rate any face cards and an ace as much worse turn cards than the one you received.

So I think a flop c/r is bad. Our equity is decent, but against a calldown range it's not nearly as good, and the pot is still small.

I do like donking this turn. As drbk2 says it's hard for anyone to play back at you so it's a pretty easy fold to a raise, or c/f on the river if both guys call (or really if the villain calls and the SB folds too). We protect against 8+ outters against overcards, which isn't worth a ton in this smallish pot, but is worth considering.

It's also a spot where I wouldn't expect the villain to keep barreling with overcards at a high frequency, so he will have a strong range when he does bet. So c/c kinda sucks, and c/f is pretty borderline without a very strong read.

Betting just seems like the play.