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08-26-2015 , 06:14 PM
Nothing like going through your DB and being shocked at the results of a session. A week ago, I got to game start and play HU 30 with a 50/38 guy who loves bloating pots OOP w/ weak hands and calling all the way down to the river even when it's obvious he's beat (WTSD of 53%!). Also fond of three betting and capping for no apparent reason. Needless to say, I expected him to play like the maniac he is in 6 max games, but instead this happened:

- He was the BTN/SB 28 times. He gave me a walk a full 18 of those 28 times. That's an approximate BTN open 95% CI of 20% - 54%. Even on the high end, that's absurdly tight.

- He only showed down 3 times when opening the button. The hands were AQ, A3, QJ. Not exactly weak hands in a HU situation.

- I had folded hands I would play against a more conventional opponent, like T3s and Q2o (twice). While possibly justified still to exploit his excessive three betting, possibly incorrect given his foldiness. Of the 18 hands I opened, he folded his BB 6 times, 3 bet 11 times, and called once. It seems like we shouldn't shy away from opening T3s given that we were planning to put 3 small bets minimum in anyway, and that he'll tell us whether his range is full of garbage or not immediately.

- Only 18 of the 55 hands saw a flop, which seems crazy low for a HU match. Because of his strong BTN open and 3 barrel ranges, I was making some tight river folds (like A2 after he 3 bet my BTN open on 553-T-Q).

- He only raised a big street once. Obviously I had quads when he did lol.

Makes you wonder what you can learn from a player over such a small sample of events. Maybe the maniac isn't as maniacal as we thought, and that he just has a set list of hands he likes to gamble with regardless of game condition? It's also possible that he's been getting killed recently, and has overadjusted by taking nittier lines (later on when the game filled, I had three bet his CO open with KQ and bet the whole way on AQx-x-x, fully expecting to be good as his normal M.O. is to 4 bet any Ax or PP preflop, and was surprised when he rolled A3).
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10-06-2015 , 12:25 PM
2/4 on swcpoker limit holdem heads up at a 6 max table:

I raise T6s on the button, big blind calls.

ATT

He checks, I bet, he raises, I call.

6

He bets, I raise, he 3 bets, I?
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10-06-2015 , 04:04 PM
you are always posting how spewy everyone is on there

4 and prob more too
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10-06-2015 , 04:23 PM
Lol you're right about the spewy part, but this guy seemed more taggy than is the norm. I put him on a flush or better and maybe some Kx and Qx bluffs, which are drawing dead. I was not considering folding at all, but thought maybe calling and raising the river would be more profitable because I have this loose theory that river value is worth more. Also, if he incorrectly thinks that I have a range capped at (Tx) when I just call the turn 3 bet, he may bet 3 bet the river when he makes a flush. I decided to call and raise the river in an attempt to let him catch up a bit with his potential bluffs. He bet called the Qo river with Q9o.

If he was a bit more spewy as is the norm, I would've 4 bet for sure and probably more.
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12-09-2015 , 10:18 AM
button raises, I call 73s in the big blind.

77Qr

I check raise, he calls.

Qo

I bet, he calls.

9

I bet, he raises, I 3 bet, he calls.

Spoiler:
I show and he shows 92o. The game is not dead.
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12-09-2015 , 03:30 PM
I like waiting for the turn w/ this hand as a default (since I'm not super thrilled about 3 bets going in on the turn). Of course if they're going to play this bad, go ahead and fastplay to your heart's desire.
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01-09-2016 , 12:09 PM
I sat with a gamestarter yesterday. He was kinda spewy. He 4 bet A9o and ATo heads up in position and barreled all three postflop streets within a span of about ten minutes. After that, I was looking for spots to put in lots of bets preflop with monsters, but I tightened up the bottom of my preflop 3 betting range. Then this happened:

He was down to his last 15 bets or so.

He raises on the button, I 3 bet KK, he 4 bets, I 5 bet, he 6 bets, etc etc until he's all in.

flop K77

I forget the turn and river.

He shows 66 and I scoop.

[X] microbits
[X] **** balance
[ ] game is dead
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01-17-2016 , 11:13 AM
I gamestarted some .50/1 limit holdem on swcpoker yesterday. I did not win a single hand. Here are some hands:

he raises on the button, I 3 bet AKo, he calls.

QJ9r

I bet, he raises, I call.

2o

I check call.

Ko

I check call.

Standard I think.

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He raises on the button, I call 98o.

235 with a flushdraw

I check, he checks.

8o

Bet call, check raise, or bet 3 bet?

I'm leaning towards check raise, but I'm open to opinions.
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01-17-2016 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
I gamestarted some .50/1 limit holdem on swcpoker yesterday. I did not win a single hand. Here are some hands:

he raises on the button, I 3 bet AKo, he calls.

QJ9r

I bet, he raises, I call.

2o

I check call.

Ko

I check call.

Standard I think.

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He raises on the button, I call 98o.

235 with a flushdraw

I check, he checks.

8o

Bet call, check raise, or bet 3 bet?

I'm leaning towards check raise, but I'm open to opinions.
Hand 1 is probably fine given how those games play.

Hand 2, I can't imagine any turn action from him is a value hand worse than 98. I'd rather bet, call down a raise, and lose to his lolslowplayed set that way.
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01-21-2016 , 10:04 AM
Yeah you're probably right but at game speed I thought of the AK hand where he raised the QJ9 flop with bottom pair and I went for the exploitive 3 bet on the turn with my pair of eights. He called the turn 3 bet and my river bet. He shows J8o and scoops.
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03-23-2016 , 09:18 AM
I've been playing Cepheus. It's rather good imo. Luckily I've been hitting lots of sets. Winning imaginary chips is fun.

Anyone know if there's a way to view my results vs the bot?
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03-24-2016 , 02:06 AM
Rather good lol
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04-10-2016 , 11:03 AM
Here's one that I can't get the query machine to work for:

Cepheus raises preflop, I call in the big blind.

KT9

I check call.

9

I check call.

I forget the river, but the point is that I check called and Cepheus shows 65. I don't like the turn bet as I don't think there's enough fold equity nor enough pair draw equity to make a bluff more profitable than checking back the turn. Perhaps it's a very low frequency bluff on the turn, which makes it less bad imo, but I still like a turn check here.
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11-14-2016 , 08:48 AM
Button raises, I 3 bet JJ, he calls.

KJ6r

I bet, he raises, I 3 bet, he 4 bets....ad nauseum until we're all in for 32 flop bets.

He had AT.

Game is dead tho.
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11-14-2016 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
Button raises, I 3 bet JJ, he calls.

KJ6r

I bet, he raises, I 3 bet, he 4 bets....ad nauseum until we're all in for 32 flop bets.

He had AT.

Game is dead tho.
So you lost, I assume?
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11-15-2016 , 09:40 AM
Hahha. No the turn and river were kind.
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02-03-2017 , 11:46 AM
It's my birthday and I'll post if I want to.

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Hey Babar.

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Made a J high calldown the other day and won.

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That's all.
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02-03-2017 , 07:43 PM
hello

ship it!
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03-23-2017 , 08:58 AM
Had an awesome battle the day before yesterday vs a good opponent. I ended up losing but I had lots of fun. Good game imo.
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04-09-2017 , 10:17 PM
Long awaited LHE forum merger happening in about a week. Details in this thread.
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04-28-2017 , 10:22 AM
Mods can do their thing here, don't bother me.

My lone gamestarting opponent and I have lots of history. We probably have played >10k hands heads up at 6 max tables and 9 max tables. Sometimes we get a game going but most of our hands are heads up.

The site I play doesn't allow HUDs to my knowledge, so all stats are my guesses:

Over the first ~10k heads up hands, he never folded preflop. He 3 bets in the big blind about 30-40%. I made some adjustments for this opponent: I 3 bet wider than I normally would from the big blind and as a result I value bet thinner out of position in 3 bet pots and I showdown lighter in 3 bet pots. When I call in the big blind, which I do slightly wider than my default, I have a very weak range that he attacks often on the flop with both thin value hands and bluffs. Over the first few hundred hands, he was folding quite often when I jammed the flop out of position for 3+ bets so I started bluffing him when he jammed the flop. I think he figured it out and is now value heavy when he jams the flop.

Also, in response to my now more frequent 3 bets preflop, he has started folding some stuff in the small blind. He's folded twice in the past 200 or so hands haha. When he folded the first time, I said, "turning over a new leaf huh?" to let him know that I knew that he knew that I was 3 betting loose preflop.

I typically avoid leveling wars when possible, but this guy has forced me to adjust. It's been fun.
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05-26-2020 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
I say forget balance. The very definition of the term is hazy, while it's application is spreading like an airborne disease, the likes of which has infected the masses with the sickness of disinformation and complacency.
what a maroon.

understanding balance is about understanding cause and effect:

cause: different hands contribute to the ev of a strategy in different ways and the three major hand groups: draws, showdownable hands, and junk, these groups overlap each other like this:



effect: the hand groups(and individual combos that comprise the groups), help each other earn ev. the showdownable hands allow some draws and junk to bet(without value hands there would be no bluffs). the draws add value to the value hands, and aid in keeping the junk safe(without draws in the checking range, there would be too much folding). junk represents hands that never reached potential because junk misses the board by definition. junk doesn't benefit us on this board, but instead junk benefits our strategy on different boards by hitting flops turns and rivers when other hands cant.

result: ev is maximized when your strategy can't improve the way the different hand groups help each other. this is true balance imo.
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05-26-2020 , 04:31 PM
Venn f.t.w. !


I know there are a few phx limit players here. When will poker be on the menu in phoenix? Will limit/mix be back immediately ???
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07-23-2020 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
what a maroon.

understanding balance is about understanding cause and effect:

cause: different hands contribute to the ev of a strategy in different ways and the three major hand groups: draws, showdownable hands, and junk, these groups overlap each other like this:



effect: the hand groups(and individual combos that comprise the groups), help each other earn ev. the showdownable hands allow some draws and junk to bet(without value hands there would be no bluffs). the draws add value to the value hands, and aid in keeping the junk safe(without draws in the checking range, there would be too much folding). junk represents hands that never reached potential because junk misses the board by definition. junk doesn't benefit us on this board, but instead junk benefits our strategy on different boards by hitting flops turns and rivers when other hands cant.

result: ev is maximized when your strategy can't improve the way the different hand groups help each other. this is true balance imo.
Tldn but your posts from 2015 or so seemed epic via skimming.

Miss those days but glad I got to play HUHU LHE in its prime
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07-30-2020 , 03:41 PM
If there was ever a time for the Johnny ****ing Chan sorry I don’t remember line from that movie about poker...

“I feel like I’m gonna get whacked sitting here “

“Shoulda played those kings Mike “
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