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Old 03-07-2010, 02:12 AM   #176
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do people insure horses? they definitely have value but if they are insurable, how do you define the terms of the policy? seems like a huge grey area with what constitutes an injury.
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Old 03-07-2010, 02:17 AM   #177
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do people insure horses? they definitely have value but if they are insurable, how do you define the terms of the policy? seems like a huge grey area with what constitutes an injury.
I would be surprised if they didnt, but I can imagine there would be a ton of fraud.
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Old 03-07-2010, 02:51 AM   #178
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i don't think anybody memorizes the charts
A couple years ago I was playing in a 10/20 game and the guy next to me starts talking about how he read stox's book and how he knows I did too and he memorized the charts and knows I did too blah blah blah (I think RobA was on the other side of me)... I was too ashamed to admit I hadn't actually bothered to memorize the charts. I still haven't bothered to memorize the charts, thankfully I'm not ashamed to admit that now.
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Old 03-07-2010, 02:55 AM   #179
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the charts are always the most boring part of any poker book. probably like 95% of the people who read poker books skip over that section.
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:00 AM   #180
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It's not like it's even a chart. They are tables, pages of tables and you'd have to be Rain Man to memorize them, imo.
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Old 03-07-2010, 09:23 AM   #181
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OK, PT gets another customer.
are there any glaring differences between PT and HEM? been using the 15 day trial for holdem/omaha manager and it seems sufficient enough that i think im gonna buy it instead of trying the 60day trial from PT
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Old 03-07-2010, 12:45 PM   #182
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It's not like it's even a chart. They are tables, pages of tables and you'd have to be Rain Man to memorize them, imo.
But the most important info is what the borderline hands are, and which appear to be profitable and which don't. You don't need a book to tell you to play AA from position x with action y. If you know you are playing any pocket pair and any suited ace, that is fine. The charts are to give data to back up their suggestion of what hands are profitable in position x with action y.
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Old 03-07-2010, 12:46 PM   #183
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are there any glaring differences between PT and HEM? been using the 15 day trial for holdem/omaha manager and it seems sufficient enough that i think im gonna buy it instead of trying the 60day trial from PT
Seems like the majority of 2+2, at least in SSSH where I post is in favor of HEM. I have PT3 and am fine, but never tried HEM.
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:20 PM   #184
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If I play in very aggressive (by live game standards) 40/80 game that is often short handed (sometimes 9 handed, but often more like 6-7 and sometimes as low as 4-5) with several talented LAGs, what is a reasonable estimate of my StDev/hour? Does anybody have data for something like this? I'm welcoming guesses.
Grunch: I think you could use something like 5/10 SH online as a proxy for this game, maybe. So if you're looking at an SD of ~18BB/100 for the online game and 40 hands/hour live, IIRMSCCBIHBALT, that translates out to ~11.4BB/hour so call it somewhere near a rack an hour. Seems a bit low intuitively, but . . .
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:29 PM   #185
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the charts or even the suggested starting hands divine alot of useful information if you pay attention closely and ask good questions. as an example, way back when the book was fresh, i made a thread asking why there is such drop off in the playable unsuited Kings. I think stox himself responded, but I remember talking to vmacosta later about his hudge database and he found that defending and opening the weaker unsuited kings is a sizeable leak for a ton of people.
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:30 PM   #186
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Seems like the majority of 2+2, at least in SSSH where I post is in favor of HEM. I have PT3 and am fine, but never tried HEM
Havent yet tried PT but I like HEM once you get it set up(had a good friend help a lot cuz I suck at this stuff)it is nice
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:55 PM   #187
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It's not like it's even a chart. They are tables, pages of tables and you'd have to be Rain Man to memorize them, imo.
confirm there are lots of them hit the 19.
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:58 PM   #188
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Grunch: I think you could use something like 5/10 SH online as a proxy for this game, maybe. So if you're looking at an SD of ~18BB/100 for the online game and 40 hands/hour live, IIRMSCCBIHBALT, that translates out to ~11.4BB/hour so call it somewhere near a rack an hour. Seems a bit low intuitively, but . . .
Basically that's the theme I've gotten back. All the math points to it being only like 11-12, and everybody thinks that's way too low and the bankroll requirements that such a StDev suggest are nowhere near sufficient.

I think I'm finally going to listen to what every single person who knows anything about poker said.
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:17 PM   #189
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I'm always weak tight when starting a session. 20 live, I post in CO and in return get red aces. Unknown UTG limps, I raise, barely known SB calls, BB folds. Flop KK6r, I bet, both call. Turn 4, I bet, SB check-raises, UTG takes two to the face, I decide to make the "good fold". SB bets deuce river, UTG calls. SB rolls A4o. UTG rolls 86o.
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:50 PM   #190
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Unknown opponents. You'll be closing the action on T and R. That fold only cost you $480 - tip.
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Old 03-07-2010, 04:05 PM   #191
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Unknown opponents. You'll be closing the action on T and R. That fold only cost you $480 - tip.
if you tip $500 per pot, youd be losing money, so in those terms its a good fold.
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Old 03-07-2010, 04:40 PM   #192
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We know each other from another forum from which you fled. I'm not going to get into a pissing match because it's not the place and I don't really have a vested interest, given that I was never foolish enough to lend you money, unlike many of our common acquaintances.

The bottom line here is that it's one thing to not pay folks back, and quite another to not do so when you are rolling in cash. But you've reached a whole other level of depravity when you hide from them for years because you clearly can't come to terms with your own failings, be they tangible or moral. It's an embarrassment for everyone involved.

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Old 03-07-2010, 05:35 PM   #193
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the charts or even the suggested starting hands divine alot of useful information if you pay attention closely and ask good questions. as an example, way back when the book was fresh, i made a thread asking why there is such drop off in the playable unsuited Kings. I think stox himself responded, but I remember talking to vmacosta later about his hudge database and he found that defending and opening the weaker unsuited kings is a sizeable leak for a ton of people.
So, where is that line that defines "too weak"?
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I'm always weak tight when starting a session. 20 live, I post in CO and in return get red aces. Unknown UTG limps, I raise, barely known SB calls, BB folds. Flop KK6r, I bet, both call. Turn 4, I bet, SB check-raises, UTG takes two to the face, I decide to make the "good fold". SB bets deuce river, UTG calls. SB rolls A4o. UTG rolls 86o.
Now you have to change your location.
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Old 03-07-2010, 06:01 PM   #195
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I'm always weak tight when starting a session. 20 live, I post in CO and in return get red aces. Unknown UTG limps, I raise, barely known SB calls, BB folds. Flop KK6r, I bet, both call. Turn 4, I bet, SB check-raises, UTG takes two to the face, I decide to make the "good fold". SB bets deuce river, UTG calls. SB rolls A4o. UTG rolls 86o.
Is it wrong to check this turn vs two other players?
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Old 03-07-2010, 06:04 PM   #196
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Now you have to change your location.
No, you see I was setting them up. By making a huge fold in my first hand, they think they can bluff me all the time. But apparently they know that trick too and spent the next hours value betting me with bottom pair.

When I lose something like 30 racks online in a month it's easy to lose track of reality, pot size, which direction is up, how bad opponents really are. I just instantly assume "oh my aces are no good, again" and turbo muck without a second of rational thought.
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I typically only make that laydown when someone is sweating me. And then I hear about it for years.
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Is it wrong to check this turn vs two other players?
It really depends on the players. I can usually sense who will call down with anything and who is making an expert slowplay. I don't think it is a huge mistake if people are folding their A high and other unimproved hands on the turn when we bet and might pair up or make a crying call w/ AQ or whatever on the river vs. having to make a laydown or pay 2 more bets to see showdown.
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No, you see I was setting them up. By making a huge fold in my first hand, they think they can bluff me all the time. But apparently they know that trick too and spent the next hours value betting me with bottom pair.

When I lose something like 30 racks online in a month it's easy to lose track of reality, pot size, which direction is up, how bad opponents really are. I just instantly assume "oh my aces are no good, again" and turbo muck without a second of rational thought.
So now you are saying you showed your hand with a street left to go?
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Old 03-07-2010, 08:15 PM   #200
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Basically that's the theme I've gotten back. All the math points to it being only like 11-12, and everybody thinks that's way too low and the bankroll requirements that such a StDev suggest are nowhere near sufficient.
I think it's more that the StDev numbers are accurate, but virtually every poker player overestimates his winrate. Bankroll requirements are a function of both and are far more sensitive to the winrate than to your StDev.
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