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Old 03-06-2010, 06:13 AM   #151
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wtf less hands more scamaments. lol those of you that were going to give him money.
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Old 03-06-2010, 08:22 AM   #152
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Part 2...


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t40 - 9 players
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MP1: t6760 M = 8.35
MP2: t3075 M = 3.80
Hero (CO): t6375 M = 7.87
BTN: t8470 M = 10.46
SB: t2765 M = 3.41
BB: t4155 M = 5.13
UTG: t13270 M = 16.38
UTG+1: t8665 M = 10.70
UTG+2: t4415 M = 5.45

Pre Flop: (t810) Hero is CO with T T
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t300, 1 fold, MP1 calls t300, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1200, BTN calls t1200, SB raises to t2725 all in, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t2425, 1 fold, Hero raises to t6335 all in, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t3610

Flop: (t17555) A K 8 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t17555) 3 (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t17555) J (3 players - 2 are all in)

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Dude, clearly TT is not a good hand when your M is 7.87, we learned that in part 1. Fold pre imo.

Or post two different hand histories.

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Old 03-06-2010, 10:52 AM   #153
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How do I convert a StDev in bb/100 into bb/hour, assuming an hour is like 40 hands?
sqrt(100/40) I would assume
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Old 03-06-2010, 12:40 PM   #154
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sqrt(100/40) I would assume
I meant multiply by sqrt(100/40).
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Old 03-06-2010, 04:18 PM   #155
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I meant multiply by sqrt(100/40).
i think you meant divide actually...
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Old 03-06-2010, 04:25 PM   #156
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i think you meant divide actually...
Right.
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Old 03-06-2010, 04:31 PM   #157
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Dude, clearly TT is not a good hand when your M is 7.87, we learned that in part 1. Fold pre imo.

Or post two different hand histories.
Haha, I like drunk posting...
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Old 03-06-2010, 05:24 PM   #158
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A big lol at me. I've had Stox's book lying around unread for quite a while. I mentioned it to the poster formerly known as SS and he said to read it. Then I spoke to leo who essentially told me that I'd really better read it. So I've started. I don't know how anybody can memorize those charts but I looked them over and was satisfied to see that my pf opening ranges for 6-max seemed to be in line w/ what he recommends. Then I got to the 3-bet pf part and I wasn't in line w/ that so I've changed and, voila!, instant results by page 83.

Look out, nosebleeds, by the time I finish the book.
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Old 03-06-2010, 05:42 PM   #159
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Haha, I like drunk posting...
this is how you win big pots with TT, fml (btw, anybody find a fold here on his river shove?):

Full Tilt Poker $16,000 KO Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players
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MP2: t2004 M = 26.72
CO: t7632 M = 101.76
BTN: t3700 M = 49.33
SB: t1968 M = 26.24
BB: t6455 M = 86.07
UTG: t3440 M = 45.87
UTG+1: t3850 M = 51.33
UTG+2: t6095 M = 81.27
Hero (MP1): t5402 M = 72.03

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is MP1 with 7 7
3 folds, Hero raises to t150, 1 fold, CO calls t150, 3 folds

Flop: (t375) Q J 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t100, CO calls t100

Turn: (t575) T (2 players)
Hero bets t250, CO calls t250

River: (t1075) Q (2 players)
Hero bets t800, CO raises to t7132 all in, Hero calls t4102 all in

Final Pot: t10879
CO shows T T (a full house, Tens full of Queens)
Hero mucks 7 7
CO wins t10879
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Old 03-06-2010, 06:13 PM   #160
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this is how you win big pots with TT, fml (btw, anybody find a fold here on his river shove?):

Full Tilt Poker $16,000 KO Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: t2004 M = 26.72
CO: t7632 M = 101.76
BTN: t3700 M = 49.33
SB: t1968 M = 26.24
BB: t6455 M = 86.07
UTG: t3440 M = 45.87
UTG+1: t3850 M = 51.33
UTG+2: t6095 M = 81.27
Hero (MP1): t5402 M = 72.03

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is MP1 with 7 7
3 folds, Hero raises to t150, 1 fold, CO calls t150, 3 folds

Flop: (t375) Q J 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t100, CO calls t100

Turn: (t575) T (2 players)
Hero bets t250, CO calls t250

River: (t1075) Q (2 players)
Hero bets t800, CO raises to t7132 all in, Hero calls t4102 all in

Final Pot: t10879
CO shows T T (a full house, Tens full of Queens)
Hero mucks 7 7
CO wins t10879
Pretty decent example of the differences in relative hand strength and absolute hand strength that exists as a much more prominent part of NL. When you get shoved on you have to ask yourself if there is any part of his value range that you beat. Given that you can have all 16 combos of AK and as well as 2nd and 3rd nut boats in your range, his raise implies that he can at least beat AK. That means he can beat a straight which means he can beat your boat which means your absolute hand strength is garbage and you have a 100% complete bluff catcher. If there is a lot of spazzing in these tournies then you can consider a call but by and large a call, call, shove line on this board is a complete and utter suicide bluff and one I would expect to see extremely rarely.
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Old 03-06-2010, 06:19 PM   #161
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That means he can beat a straight which means he can beat your boat which means your absolute hand strength is garbage and you have a 100% complete bluff catcher.
He beats JX and such but it's tough to say whether or not they overshove the river. Against someone known not to be spewy I think you can fold, but I would have a real tough time folding against a random. I might find a fold with AK, but since we can beat a flush here I think we have to call.

Edit: Backdoor spades is the only hand that really makes sense from villain though because all the boats should probably have raised on the flop or turn but obviously this guy decided to flat the flop with an underpair and then not raise the turn when he hits his hand.

It's like on the flop he calls saying "I think he has AK" and then on the turn he just calls saying "Oh ****, I hope he doesn't have AK!" and then on the river he shoves and is like "HE HAS AK Muahahahahahahaha!"

Double Edit: For a perfect example of relative hand strength in deep stacked NL, check out the quad aces vs royal flush hand from the WSOP ME. There are very good reasons for the AA to not shove the river.

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Old 03-06-2010, 06:44 PM   #162
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woah i just saw the coolest thing while i was outside smoking a cigarette. this little kid rode by riding this skateboard like thing but the wheels went down the center like on rollerblades.
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Old 03-06-2010, 07:45 PM   #163
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Any pretense he makes about having a moral compass is pure BS.
this is perhaps the most ridiculous thing that's ever been written here. and that's saying a lot. i don't know who you are or how you feel you could possibly have enough knowledge to make this judgment, but it is the very definition of absurd. i owe money. this is not a secret and is well known by anyone around me who wishes to posses this knowledge. i'm also owed healthy five figure amounts by many people. yes even known people in poker and limit hold em. but i don't go around making other people's business public knowledge. it does nothing to help get me my money nor does cutting the debtor down do anything for my ego.

i've been instructed by multiple posters who don't know me but care about the state of the forum to not engage the posters who wrote things. they contend that whether things said by them or me are true or not that dialogue is likely to degenerate into nothing productive and that almost nothing can be solved in this forum. i'll go along with their wishes but i can't let something like is written above just go. i'm not sure i've ever had anything worse said to me before in any context. i've made several mistakes in my life, but to say i have no compass is saying i don't know that i've made them. maybe it was making those mistakes or other less consequential ones that taught me that a person's experiences are not their character. maybe you don't care keeper1125 and you'd like to continue to judge. i'm afraid i won't be able to respond.

when i said i didn't know if i could continue to be here i meant it. not because i don't want to. because i literally cannot. my resources are so confined that addressing beef from several years ago doesn't even register on my priority list in comparison to so many things you're taking for granted. maybe someone will take joy in that. but i'll assuredly have my day in this forum when i come out the other side. anyone who has played with me knows this is inevitable. i'm anxious to say what i have to say.


PBen - no one was going to give me money nor did i ask anyone for money. you've been admittedly lucky in all you do, yet your tune sure did change quickly.
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Old 03-06-2010, 08:52 PM   #164
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don't really want to get involved but seems pretty weird to lend money when you owe money. Unless the money you are owed you have already written off as bad debt in which case its not really relevant because almost everyone is owed in that sense.

as always the moral of the story is never lend money. or borrow for that matter.
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Old 03-06-2010, 08:54 PM   #165
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what tune change? i've always been a drama loving whore in this forum.
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Old 03-06-2010, 09:45 PM   #166
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A big lol at me. I've had Stox's book lying around unread for quite a while. I mentioned it to the poster formerly known as SS and he said to read it. Then I spoke to leo who essentially told me that I'd really better read it. So I've started. I don't know how anybody can memorize those charts but I looked them over and was satisfied to see that my pf opening ranges for 6-max seemed to be in line w/ what he recommends. Then I got to the 3-bet pf part and I wasn't in line w/ that so I've changed and, voila!, instant results by page 83.

Look out, nosebleeds, by the time I finish the book.
i don't think anybody memorizes the charts
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Old 03-06-2010, 10:16 PM   #167
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i don't think anybody memorizes the charts
Good. I don't want to be left behind.
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Old 03-06-2010, 10:52 PM   #168
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A big lol at me. I've had Stox's book lying around unread for quite a while. I mentioned it to the poster formerly known as SS and he said to read it. Then I spoke to leo who essentially told me that I'd really better read it. So I've started. I don't know how anybody can memorize those charts but I looked them over and was satisfied to see that my pf opening ranges for 6-max seemed to be in line w/ what he recommends. Then I got to the 3-bet pf part and I wasn't in line w/ that so I've changed and, voila!, instant results by page 83.

Look out, nosebleeds, by the time I finish the book.
I think BBB is right about nobody memorizing the charts. Others have said- and I agree- that the charts should have been presented as an appendix, rather than appearing in the forward body of the text.

I will, however, be interested to know how you do on the big blind defense quiz that starts on page 308 and relates, at least indirectly, to your knowledge of the charts. I trust you'll keep us abreast of your progress.

But what I really wanna know is if you got PT set-up. I mean how are you gonna know what to defend with if you don't know what they're stealin' with and from where and how often?

You realize, ldo, that almost everybody that uses PT knows it prevents getting two and three outed on the river 94.367% of the time.
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:35 PM   #169
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I know you've told me that I need it but I haven't gotten it yet. Frankly, I don't see that it'll do me much good at low limit 6-max. How much time do I have to consult the HUD? I can hardly keep up w/ 4 tables as it is. click, click, click, clllliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicccccccccckkkkkkkkkk......... ..

Besides, I think I'm just playing against 'them', all plug-in same type replacements. If I move up I guess it's more necessary and maybe I'll get around to it soon.

btw: I made the mistake of telling mom it's boring. So she's come up w/ chores: collect the garbage, feed the dog, clean his bowl, plug in her cell phone etc, the list is endless, fml.
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wtf less hands more scamaments.
No. Please don't turn this forum into NVG or the lame-ass flaming that goes on in High Stakes Limit. Take it to PM or somewhere else.
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I know you've told me that I need it but I haven't gotten it yet. Frankly, I don't see that it'll do me much good at low limit 6-max. How much time do I have to consult the HUD? I can hardly keep up w/ 4 tables as it is. click, click, click, clllliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicccccccccckkkkkkkkkk......... ..

Besides, I think I'm just playing against 'them', all plug-in same type replacements. If I move up I guess it's more necessary and maybe I'll get around to it soon.

btw: I made the mistake of telling mom it's boring. So she's come up w/ chores: collect the garbage, feed the dog, clean his bowl, plug in her cell phone etc, the list is endless, fml.
Hud pops up above your opponents sns so you dont need to do anything but look at the screen. It actually much more necessary at low limit where the player pool is much larger. I dont use HUD at all since its very rare when an unknown sits.
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:40 AM   #172
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What's the best way to learn to use it besides using it?
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Go to the website.
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Old 03-07-2010, 02:00 AM   #174
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Bravos' mega-thread in Small Stakes? Or is it Micro Steaks?
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OK, PT gets another customer.
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