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Old 03-14-2010, 10:38 PM   #401
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I was playing 40 yesterday at HG and I saw a guy fist pump and let out a geniune "yes!!!!!!!" when he won like a 13 BB pot. Without a doubt, when he raised he did what you describe above.
Told you I'm a good sweater dude. Like I told SSLHE I am considering starting a live sweat business. What you get from me is this: No advice, no tips, I take no notes, I dont pay too much attention to the hands you play, I dont talk and I may not even talk to you at all. But I am there just so you run goot.

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Told you I'm a good sweater dude. Like I told SSLHE I am considering starting a live sweat business. What you get from me is this: No advice, no tips, I take no notes, I dont pay too much attention to the hands you play, I dont talk and I may not even talk to you at all. But I am there just so you run goot.

That is all you will get
I asked one of the craps dealers if they still hire coolers. I swear I can make a shooter roll a 7 just by walking by the table.
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:14 PM   #403
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And that becomes even more frustrating when a table nit sits for 2 hours and gets AA and KK twice each. Oh well.
Nope, the second one was 10-10 on the 10-x-x flop, A turn with me hoping for a 'pair the board w/ a !' so that I could torture a friend. That's what poker does to ppl.
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:40 PM   #404
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I asked one of the craps dealers if they still hire coolers. I swear I can make a shooter roll a 7 just by walking by the table.
Anyone I sweat runs amazingly well. I come up to Pokerjans 40 table last night and Bam! QQ w a QKx board. Bam! TT with an all unders board. Etc etc. Pretty typical. Same goes for MikeL. I sit and sweat him play 40 some time last year. First hand he opens A6s in LP, board 6xx, turn 6 you get da picture.

Cause I'm a Sweater, Your'e a Bettor....and I'm a Profit Netter...........
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:59 PM   #405
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Sorry, thats how I like it.

Kinda sad that I woulda posted a loss today if I didn't hit those two gutshots.

I only got dealt 3 pocket pairs in 6 hours of play...biggest was TT.

And that becomes even more frustrating when a table nit sits for 2 hours and gets AA and KK twice each. Oh well.
Oh boo hoo. I went to Vegas one weekend, played about 12 hours total, and got NO pocket pairs the whole time. In fact, I never made a pair with cards in my hand. My best hand made of cards in my hand was ace high.
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Old 03-15-2010, 12:00 AM   #406
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Oh boo hoo. I went to Vegas one weekend, played about 12 hours total, and got NO pocket pairs the whole time. In fact, I never made a pair with cards in my hand. My best hand made of cards in my hand was ace high.
you fold preflop too much, imo.
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Old 03-15-2010, 12:54 AM   #407
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Cause I'm a Sweater, Your'e a Bettor....and I'm a Profit Netter...........
LOL
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Old 03-15-2010, 12:58 AM   #408
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Down 6 racks in my first 4 hours of 40 tonight. I'm pretty sure I'm not on tilt. I'm mad, that's for sure. But not tilty.
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Old 03-15-2010, 02:37 AM   #409
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Just got to sexy three streets vs. my personal demon, the tough Internet player. he raised my bb, I call with jacks. Flop q high, turn j, river ace. He returns favor five hands later flopping set vs my overpair.

I'm now down 7 racks and he's my personal banker. Every hour I give him purple, he gives me back some of my brown.
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:15 AM   #410
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didnt read replies after your post karak but i wouldnt depend on 10/20 lhe for a living. im sure youre a favorite in the game but 100 hours of winning live play is about the same as 2 days of winning online play 4 tabling for 3-4 hrs each time. the game is small enough that the rake/tipping (plus gas for driving there and food if its not comped, im not familiar w/ AC casinos) is very very costly and as such i wouldnt expect to win more than $10-15/hr. i guess if 10-15/hr is enough for your living expenses then go for it but you arent exactly going to be living large by grinding 10/20 live. you would make substantially more 4 tabling $1/2 limit online with substantially less risk.

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i read the replies. everyone telling you that 1.5+bb/hr is possible is living in a delusional fantasy land. nobody is winning that much in any raked limit holdem game in any casino, and someone with basically 3000 hands of limit poker under their belt cannot possibly win anything even remotely close to that. what you do is up to you but dont make any important life decisions based on the fantastic beliefs about unicorns and the leprechauns magic pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that ppl are talking about.
I just can't imagine making more 4-tabling 1/2 LHE online. Those games are so much tougher than this 10/20 game.

And if I made 15/hr it's probably more than I'd make anywhere else this summer. My overhead is pretty low. It's either spend half the summer waiting tables and bartending or spend it grinding.

I also plan to take a shot at 20/40 fairly early on so if that goes well who knows what happens. And honestly I might be close to properly rolled for 20 anyways.

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8 at Commerce is probably more aggressive postflop.

Regardless, I would say work the entire summer and play on weekends only. I don't see the point of plowing like $30K a year in law school unless you're going to do it with a full commitment to practicing afterward.
Because no one will pay me this summer. I am spending half the summer in a legal internship, but I need to make $$ too. If I spend the whole summer doing a legal internship I will make exactly $0, and that really isn't an option.

Plus I don't mind working for free if it's for a charitable organization or something that will help people (public defender, for example), but because those jobs "pay" in ways other than $$ they are very competitive and generally have a bunch of 2Ls who struck out at OCI competing tooth and nail to volunteer. It's kinda silly.

I do, however, struggle to swallow working for free to make someone else lots of $$.
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Old 03-15-2010, 02:05 PM   #411
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I just can't imagine making more 4-tabling 1/2 LHE online. Those games are so much tougher than this 10/20 game.

And if I made 15/hr it's probably more than I'd make anywhere else this summer. My overhead is pretty low. It's either spend half the summer waiting tables and bartending or spend it grinding.

I also plan to take a shot at 20/40 fairly early on so if that goes well who knows what happens. And honestly I might be close to properly rolled for 20 anyways.



Because no one will pay me this summer. I am spending half the summer in a legal internship, but I need to make $$ too. If I spend the whole summer doing a legal internship I will make exactly $0, and that really isn't an option.

Plus I don't mind working for free if it's for a charitable organization or something that will help people (public defender, for example), but because those jobs "pay" in ways other than $$ they are very competitive and generally have a bunch of 2Ls who struck out at OCI competing tooth and nail to volunteer. It's kinda silly.

I do, however, struggle to swallow working for free to make someone else lots of $$.
It will be harder to get a post law school job with no legal work experience than with an intenship though. So not getting some experience this summer might be penny wise pound foolish. Anyway you can get a part time gig and do both?
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Old 03-15-2010, 02:58 PM   #412
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Karak,

I'm also a 1L who will (hopefully) intern for free/work for low pay and play some limit poker on the side (Commerce). What you're proposing sounds fine, but yeah, if you feel comfortable doing so, move up as soon as your well-honed sense of good judgment tells you to.
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Old 03-15-2010, 03:23 PM   #413
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Karak,

I'm also a 1L who will (hopefully) intern for free/work for low pay and play some limit poker on the side (Commerce). What you're proposing sounds fine, but yeah, if you feel comfortable doing so, move up as soon as your well-honed sense of good judgment tells you to.
Holla. Glad I'm not the only one, haha.

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It will be harder to get a post law school job with no legal work experience than with an intenship though. So not getting some experience this summer might be penny wise pound foolish. Anyway you can get a part time gig and do both?
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Old 03-15-2010, 03:41 PM   #414
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I asked one of the craps dealers if they still hire coolers. I swear I can make a shooter roll a 7 just by walking by the table.
Bet don't pass IMO.
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:28 PM   #415
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Bet don't pass IMO.
yah playing the donts can be very profitable. dealers are prone to make mistakes when calculating what to pay you if you lay weird odd amounts. you just need a couple mistakes and the game suddenly turns +EV. dealers arent used to paying dont bets already since most people play the passline. the best points to confuse the dealer on when youre laying odds are on the 5 6 8 and 9. 4 and 10 are rarely ever going to confuse the dealer cause you just have to pay half of what is out there but figuring out 5/6s or 2/3s of a bet can be confusing. you gotta be aware of what you should be paid ahead of time though so you can correct him if he pays you less than what you should be paid and dont correct him if he pays you more. also bet the dont come and not the dont pass because sometimes a dealer will forget to take your bet if an 11 comes on the dont come since the spot on the table where you place the bet is difficult for him to see.

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Old 03-15-2010, 05:42 PM   #416
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yah playing the donts can be very profitable. dealers are prone to make mistakes when calculating what to pay you if you lay weird odd amounts.
I tend to think of correcting the dealers in other gambling games in the same way as I do in poker and correct on both sides. I guess I only correct payouts of bets I'm not involved in only if the dealer underpaid the guy. Maybe this means I'm a sucker.
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I tend to think of correcting the dealers in other gambling games in the same way as I do in poker and correct on both sides. I guess I only correct payouts of bets I'm not involved in only if the dealer underpaid the guy. Maybe this means I'm a sucker.
throw any ethics you have out the window when youre playing in the pit. dont outright cheat but confuse and act oblivious when a mistake is made in your favor.

when youre playing poker or dealing a game youre banking (like blackjack), of course be ethical to the other players because thats just good customer service, you dont want anyone to ever feel cheated, thats bad for business since the other players are essentially your customers and you want them to keep coming back.

also if you ever correct a dealer from paying a guy he shouldnt have while in the pit, you will make an enemy for life, mind your own business.
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Old 03-15-2010, 06:04 PM   #418
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I agree 100% on correcting dealers.

In poker, I will correct every mistake I can. Sometimes I just give up if someone shortened the pot, I explained it twice, and I am still getting blank stares as long as I am not involved in the hand. If I am, I will have the pot counted down.

I have also corrected cashiers numerous times, and they seem to be in my favor. One lady just kept trying to give me an extra $100.

But in the pits, I play for keeps. It isn't hurting the dealers to be ignorant when they are making mistakes in your favor, if anything, I might tip a bit extra. It is the casinos fault for not training them or hiring enough people so they don't have to work overtime, etc. etc.

I still to this day think I am +EV at Texas Hold'em Bonus in Vegas due to card sharing and dealer errors. You simply bet thinner when the rest of the field has a pair+, and say things like 'Straight!' when I have K5 on a 3467 board and the dealer has 58 and hope to get a chop. But if it was reversed, I would let them know I had the winning hand .

BTW, I am going to Vegas this weekend, so another chance to prove I am a lifetime winner at Texas Hold'em Bonus.
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also if you ever correct a dealer from paying a guy he shouldnt have while in the pit, you will make an enemy for life, mind your own business.
Like I said, I only correct in those cases when the player is underpaid.
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I have also corrected cashiers numerous times, and they seem to be in my favor. One lady just kept trying to give me an extra $100.
yah thats good cause this comes out of their pockets and not the casinos.

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BTW, I am going to Vegas this weekend, so another chance to prove I am a lifetime winner at Texas Hold'em Bonus.
im out in vegas now. hit me up this weekend if you want to degen it up in the pits and do some drinking
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Like I said, I only correct in those cases when the player is underpaid.
in this case you will make a friend for life hehe.
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I still to this day think I am +EV at Texas Hold'em Bonus in Vegas due to card sharing and dealer errors. You simply bet thinner when the rest of the field has a pair+, and say things like 'Straight!' when I have K5 on a 3467 board and the dealer has 58 and hope to get a chop. But if it was reversed, I would let them know I had the winning hand .
Interesting hand + semi ethics question from a Texas Holdem Bonus game.

So it is my first or second hand at the table. I don't play the bonus bet because it's dumb. So anyway, they deal out the cards and I have K9o or something so I ship in 4x my bet while everyone else checks with their A4 or 33 or whatever. Anyway, board runs out QQ9, Q, Q! Everyone starts cheering and everything while I'm intently waiting on the dealer showing her hand as only an Ace beats me and I need to win to get any bonus for the quads.

Dealer rolls over the A3. Argghhhhhh! So I lose every bet where everyone else is getting 20x their bonus bet or whatever.

As the dealer goes around paying the people (I'm last). I notice that she is paying everyone for their ante bet even though they didn't beat the dealer's Ace. So I'm thinking sweet! I might get paid something after all! So she overpays everyone like $100 each and then gets to me and pauses for a second and starts to take all my money and not pay any of my bets.

What would you do?
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also in regards to cashiers overpaying you, even if it came out of the casinos pocket, you should still never accept it, cause its easy recognizable when a till is short and they could lose their job. but when youre playing in the pits, mistakes made in your favor are easily going to be camoflauged by other players losing money, so no one is ever going to notice.
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Interesting hand + semi ethics question from a Texas Holdem Bonus game.

So it is my first or second hand at the table. I don't play the bonus bet because it's dumb. So anyway, they deal out the cards and I have K9o or something so I ship in 4x my bet while everyone else checks with their A4 or 33 or whatever. Anyway, board runs out QQ9, Q, Q! Everyone starts cheering and everything while I'm intently waiting on the dealer showing her hand as only an Ace beats me and I need to win to get any bonus for the quads.

Dealer rolls over the A3. Argghhhhhh! So I lose every bet where everyone else is getting 20x their bonus bet or whatever.

As the dealer goes around paying the people (I'm last). I notice that she is paying everyone for their ante bet even though they didn't beat the dealer's Ace. So I'm thinking sweet! I might get paid something after all! So she overpays everyone like $100 each and then gets to me and pauses for a second and starts to take all my money and not pay any of my bets.

What would you do?
say nothing. you dont want to ruin it for the rest of the party. shes realized her mistake on you so its up to her own discretion whether she wants to ask for the other players bets back.
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say nothing. you dont want to ruin it for the rest of the party. shes realized her mistake on you so its up to her own discretion whether she wants to ask for the other players bets back.
So basically you think there's a 0% chance of trying to convince her to pay my ante bet because she paid everyone else's ante bet. I guess that's probably close to correct.
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